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		By: Forced Air		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2020/04/22/tension-rises-over-virus-lock-down/#comment-108032</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2020 19:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow....the amount of totalitarians in service to the Fear Mongers is astounding. Using the anemic death tolls as a sword to shout down libertarians is an old tactic. This is pure Statist worship. If you are in a hi-risk group, stay away from those you believe are risky, which is everyone else. WHY....do the healthy have to stop working and living? 

If you all think this virus is going to unseat Trump, you are fooling yourselves. Because of the hard ass rules in Blue states, he will sail to victory. Look at the recent flips happening in Wisconsin and California. This whole thing will backfire. Scorched earth Fear peddling is not going to work. 

Easterner is going full commie blast against every conservative he can call out. He MUST use racist language to smear the liberty seekers. Just like Trump has exposed the MSM as biased actors, this virus schtick has exposed the Left as total Stalins. 

So glad I left the Left when I did.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;.the amount of totalitarians in service to the Fear Mongers is astounding. Using the anemic death tolls as a sword to shout down libertarians is an old tactic. This is pure Statist worship. If you are in a hi-risk group, stay away from those you believe are risky, which is everyone else. WHY&#8230;.do the healthy have to stop working and living? </p>
<p>If you all think this virus is going to unseat Trump, you are fooling yourselves. Because of the hard ass rules in Blue states, he will sail to victory. Look at the recent flips happening in Wisconsin and California. This whole thing will backfire. Scorched earth Fear peddling is not going to work. </p>
<p>Easterner is going full commie blast against every conservative he can call out. He MUST use racist language to smear the liberty seekers. Just like Trump has exposed the MSM as biased actors, this virus schtick has exposed the Left as total Stalins. </p>
<p>So glad I left the Left when I did.</p>
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		By: 3rd Generation Boiseian.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2020 02:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you don&#039;t care about your kids getting sick and dying, have some consideration for the health care providers. Oh.... but then it really is just about YOU and getting attention.  Well then, I don&#039;t care to remember your name. But I happen to be in a &quot;high risk group&quot; and have managed to live far beyond my life expectancy. I don&#039;t want an idiot who thinks she is smart to be the person who takes me out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t care about your kids getting sick and dying, have some consideration for the health care providers. Oh&#8230;. but then it really is just about YOU and getting attention.  Well then, I don&#8217;t care to remember your name. But I happen to be in a &#8220;high risk group&#8221; and have managed to live far beyond my life expectancy. I don&#8217;t want an idiot who thinks she is smart to be the person who takes me out.</p>
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		By: Easterner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another organized opposition against IFF:
https://idahoconservatives.com/

This reminds me of the effort against the North Idaho skinhead/racists as they tried to move into other parts of Idaho and E Oregon. Too Great for Hate? 
Considering Rep Heather Scott is the epitome of IFF, the comparison seems fitting.   Now we have people showing up at the Capital in battle gear with .223 mags.     

Normal, rational conservatives need to help put a stop to the radical IFF, Idaho 3%, and Bundy style antics. Shine a light on it, call it what it is -ignorance!  
Otherwise, one precinct at a time they will get a foothold and be enough to block all reasonable legislation in Idaho (local and state).  
&quot;An L is not an R&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another organized opposition against IFF:<br />
<a href="https://idahoconservatives.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://idahoconservatives.com/</a></p>
<p>This reminds me of the effort against the North Idaho skinhead/racists as they tried to move into other parts of Idaho and E Oregon. Too Great for Hate?<br />
Considering Rep Heather Scott is the epitome of IFF, the comparison seems fitting.   Now we have people showing up at the Capital in battle gear with .223 mags.     </p>
<p>Normal, rational conservatives need to help put a stop to the radical IFF, Idaho 3%, and Bundy style antics. Shine a light on it, call it what it is -ignorance!<br />
Otherwise, one precinct at a time they will get a foothold and be enough to block all reasonable legislation in Idaho (local and state).<br />
&#8220;An L is not an R&#8221;</p>
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		By: Concerned Citizen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2020 03:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To those defying Governor Little’s orders to Shelter-in-Place.

Personal liberties are important, critical and fundamental components to American people’s lives. However, during a public health crisis, the government must step in to prevent unnecessary spread of disease. COVID-19 has presented America with a public health crisis, as it is a very contagious virus that attacks the respiratory system and can be fatal.  In response to such a threat, the Idaho government has asked citizens to shelter-in-place and practice social distancing, with an exception made for essential employees.  This is done for the public’s health and safety, and in order to return to life as we know it, as soon as possible. 

Even though public health and safety are threatened due to COVID-19, many of you still believe such orders from the government should not be followed.  This is ethically despicable.  By not staying home, the lives of essential employees such as doctors, nurses, grocery store workers and janitors are being placed at an even greater risk.  Furthermore, each of you who are choosing to not stay home need to evaluate the privilege you have.  It is a privilege to have a home in which to shelter-in-place; many people in this country are homeless, with no place to remain safe.  Your selfishness is diminishing their safety.  Further, as long as you continue to violate the shelter-in-place and social distancing rules, you are allowing the virus to continue to spread and the government orders to last longer. That means you are preventing people from returning to work in a timely manner, thus causing more money and jobs to be lost. 

Further, this is an order from the government, and, according to the CDC, the state government has every right to issue such an order during a time of declared emergency. Therefore, by not following such orders you are breaking the law. Do your part, social distance and shelter-in-place so then Americans will be able to live their lives normally again and restraining laws will be lifted, and your personal liberties restored. 
 
I urge those who are not staying home, reflect on your moral and ethical obligation to others and engage in collective activism.  Altering behavior for a short amount of time, to help save lives and the economy, is not the loss of liberty but a choice to add to the ultimate good of society for the long run.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those defying Governor Little’s orders to Shelter-in-Place.</p>
<p>Personal liberties are important, critical and fundamental components to American people’s lives. However, during a public health crisis, the government must step in to prevent unnecessary spread of disease. COVID-19 has presented America with a public health crisis, as it is a very contagious virus that attacks the respiratory system and can be fatal.  In response to such a threat, the Idaho government has asked citizens to shelter-in-place and practice social distancing, with an exception made for essential employees.  This is done for the public’s health and safety, and in order to return to life as we know it, as soon as possible. </p>
<p>Even though public health and safety are threatened due to COVID-19, many of you still believe such orders from the government should not be followed.  This is ethically despicable.  By not staying home, the lives of essential employees such as doctors, nurses, grocery store workers and janitors are being placed at an even greater risk.  Furthermore, each of you who are choosing to not stay home need to evaluate the privilege you have.  It is a privilege to have a home in which to shelter-in-place; many people in this country are homeless, with no place to remain safe.  Your selfishness is diminishing their safety.  Further, as long as you continue to violate the shelter-in-place and social distancing rules, you are allowing the virus to continue to spread and the government orders to last longer. That means you are preventing people from returning to work in a timely manner, thus causing more money and jobs to be lost. </p>
<p>Further, this is an order from the government, and, according to the CDC, the state government has every right to issue such an order during a time of declared emergency. Therefore, by not following such orders you are breaking the law. Do your part, social distance and shelter-in-place so then Americans will be able to live their lives normally again and restraining laws will be lifted, and your personal liberties restored. </p>
<p>I urge those who are not staying home, reflect on your moral and ethical obligation to others and engage in collective activism.  Altering behavior for a short amount of time, to help save lives and the economy, is not the loss of liberty but a choice to add to the ultimate good of society for the long run.</p>
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		By: Eamonn Harter		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2020 22:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Editor: aside from the fishing age limit, those all sound like great ideas!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Editor: aside from the fishing age limit, those all sound like great ideas!</p>
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		By: Eamonn Harter		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2020 21:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It would go a long way to preventing the spread of the disease by keeping the borders and airports closed.  We should also keep mass gatherings like rock concerts, movie theaters and sporting events closed, and also keep the most vulnerable quarantined while letting everyone else go back to work.  Until then, I will enjoy cleaner air, less traffic, less growth and ACHD cancelling major road construction projects.

EDITOR NOTE--We assume you refer to the state borders.  We also suggest fishing be closed to all but those over the age of 65, outboard power will be limited to 50 hp and bass tournament will be banned. Allow no planting or harvest of cauliflower, zucchini, or kale.  P.U. trucks with more than 12 inches of clearance should be banned and anyone riding a personal watercraft or ATV shall be guilty of a felony punishable by 12 months confinement with their spouse.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would go a long way to preventing the spread of the disease by keeping the borders and airports closed.  We should also keep mass gatherings like rock concerts, movie theaters and sporting events closed, and also keep the most vulnerable quarantined while letting everyone else go back to work.  Until then, I will enjoy cleaner air, less traffic, less growth and ACHD cancelling major road construction projects.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;We assume you refer to the state borders.  We also suggest fishing be closed to all but those over the age of 65, outboard power will be limited to 50 hp and bass tournament will be banned. Allow no planting or harvest of cauliflower, zucchini, or kale.  P.U. trucks with more than 12 inches of clearance should be banned and anyone riding a personal watercraft or ATV shall be guilty of a felony punishable by 12 months confinement with their spouse.</p>
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		By: Easterner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2020 15:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And others seem to agree: 
&quot;they are choosing to be responsible for its recent actions: endangering children, the elderly, health care workers and police officers.&quot;

https://www.postregister.com/opinion/editorials/beck-smith-have-a-decision-to-make/article_279c7dab-4e8a-5a73-a04b-5d54c21eddb3.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And others seem to agree:<br />
&#8220;they are choosing to be responsible for its recent actions: endangering children, the elderly, health care workers and police officers.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.postregister.com/opinion/editorials/beck-smith-have-a-decision-to-make/article_279c7dab-4e8a-5a73-a04b-5d54c21eddb3.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.postregister.com/opinion/editorials/beck-smith-have-a-decision-to-make/article_279c7dab-4e8a-5a73-a04b-5d54c21eddb3.html</a></p>
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		By: Easterner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2020 15:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[More concisely- the IFF should be labeled a Domestic Terrorist Group along with Emmett&#039;s Bundy and be monitored as similar militia. 

Posting information about an arresting officer.  And then related people showing up at his HOME??? 
THAT is what drug cartels and mafia do- intimidate the police/ intimidate witnesses.

https://www.idahopress.com/coronavirus/protesters-target-home-of-meridian-officer-who-made-playground-arrest/article_d10156f5-ad3b-5df0-9350-15a0aed59c6c.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More concisely- the IFF should be labeled a Domestic Terrorist Group along with Emmett&#8217;s Bundy and be monitored as similar militia. </p>
<p>Posting information about an arresting officer.  And then related people showing up at his HOME???<br />
THAT is what drug cartels and mafia do- intimidate the police/ intimidate witnesses.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.idahopress.com/coronavirus/protesters-target-home-of-meridian-officer-who-made-playground-arrest/article_d10156f5-ad3b-5df0-9350-15a0aed59c6c.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.idahopress.com/coronavirus/protesters-target-home-of-meridian-officer-who-made-playground-arrest/article_d10156f5-ad3b-5df0-9350-15a0aed59c6c.html</a></p>
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		By: Foothills Rider		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2020 18:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Crush the Curve - me and spouse went today and had antibody testing done today (blood draw, results within a couple of days).  Would that everyone could do this - costs $105, some insurers will cover (Mr. Trump, could you consider $100 earmark of the $1200 per person just for antibody testing?).  We meed statistics on a larger scale and that means testing....not just those so sick they are likely positive or in the hospital.  Every state in country will have a different infection time/rate/curve/flattening.  Example:  &#039;Crush&#039; testing began Monday in Idaho (Ada County).  First 2000 antibody tests only resulted in 24 positives! These are random people, not people who  think they may have been sick (and in fact, people who think they are currently sick cannot be tested this way).  We do not have any form of immunity in Ada County (where this first batch came).  Idaho is behind on getting and passing this curve.  Compare results to random 3000 tests in New York, where over 13% were positive for antibodies (in New York City, over 21%). 
There will certainly not be one blanket [National] path out of this.  Every state will need to devise a plan based upon its numbers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crush the Curve &#8211; me and spouse went today and had antibody testing done today (blood draw, results within a couple of days).  Would that everyone could do this &#8211; costs $105, some insurers will cover (Mr. Trump, could you consider $100 earmark of the $1200 per person just for antibody testing?).  We meed statistics on a larger scale and that means testing&#8230;.not just those so sick they are likely positive or in the hospital.  Every state in country will have a different infection time/rate/curve/flattening.  Example:  &#8216;Crush&#8217; testing began Monday in Idaho (Ada County).  First 2000 antibody tests only resulted in 24 positives! These are random people, not people who  think they may have been sick (and in fact, people who think they are currently sick cannot be tested this way).  We do not have any form of immunity in Ada County (where this first batch came).  Idaho is behind on getting and passing this curve.  Compare results to random 3000 tests in New York, where over 13% were positive for antibodies (in New York City, over 21%).<br />
There will certainly not be one blanket [National] path out of this.  Every state will need to devise a plan based upon its numbers.</p>
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		By: Easterner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2020 15:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If anyone thinks this &#039;no different than the annual flu&#039; or it is a hoax,  
there are an awful lot of dead people willing to call you a _ IDIOT! 

Fact - Idaho had 255 flu/pneumonia DEATHS in 2017 and 235 for 2018 (latest year of stats).  
That is a combination of flu, AND pneumonia. Two different things, but the Idaho stats don&#039;t separate them since they are often related and it is a relatively low number. For the slow readers, a person can get deadly pneumonia from a bacteria infection rather than the flu virus.     
240 for a year! 

Idaho has 54 Covid deaths since March 13. 
So far, WITH ISOLATION and every damn piece of information in the state focused on COVID and every informed person taking EVERY precaution they choose to -- 54 deaths. 

Considering the exponential curve- pretty easy to round that 54 deaths to a month of results   
Or if yesterdays news is fair, 2 or 3 deaths PER DAY equals 60-90 deaths per months in Idaho is about par. At that rate, it is 700-1,000 deaths for a year, in Idaho, WHILE ISOLATED!
 
The normal 200+ flu/pneu deaths are when people just don&#039;t give a dang and that happens. 

Anyone want to guess how many Idahoan would have died IF every gym was open, daycares, restaurants, 
bars, business as usual for the past month? 
Answer: WAY TF more than &quot;the annual flu&quot;.  

The total Covid deaths in US is expected to be about 50,000 by May 1. 
The first death was Feb 28- (known cause at the time and of course is now likely much earlier).  In any case, March and April = 50,000 deaths.  with 100% awareness in place. 
25,000 deaths per month, WITH isolation and if continues, it could be 300,000 deaths in 12 months.   
Maybe it&#039;s reduced in the summer. But based on worldwide facts, the virus is spreading just fine in the southern hemisphere too (it is summertime there- in case you hoax nuts are not aware of how the sun works). There is no reason to think it will go away. 

In recent years, flu-related deaths have ranged from about 12,000 to — in the worst year — 56,000, according to the CDC.  2017-2018 was the worst with 80,000 (over a whole season) with no attention to it.  !Normally! more like 30- 50,000 deaths per year in the US. 
Remind me how many for covid already? Under isolation?  --- almost 50,000 already in TWO MONTHS. 

THIS year- Feb 15 thru April 11th, the actual flu death number is 5,474.  
Covid looks like 4 to 10 x as many deaths. 

Live free or die?  Sure, Sounds great. 
But our health care and funeral system can’t handle that slogan.

EDITOR NOTE--To EVERYONE!  Please try to keep your thoughts concise.  The comments are much longer than the posts.  Give us the important points and if really really worth it, provide the URL to a link, but don&#039;t cut and paste pages of law.  Remember, we are all in this together.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone thinks this &#8216;no different than the annual flu&#8217; or it is a hoax,<br />
there are an awful lot of dead people willing to call you a _ IDIOT! </p>
<p>Fact &#8211; Idaho had 255 flu/pneumonia DEATHS in 2017 and 235 for 2018 (latest year of stats).<br />
That is a combination of flu, AND pneumonia. Two different things, but the Idaho stats don&#8217;t separate them since they are often related and it is a relatively low number. For the slow readers, a person can get deadly pneumonia from a bacteria infection rather than the flu virus.<br />
240 for a year! </p>
<p>Idaho has 54 Covid deaths since March 13.<br />
So far, WITH ISOLATION and every damn piece of information in the state focused on COVID and every informed person taking EVERY precaution they choose to &#8212; 54 deaths. </p>
<p>Considering the exponential curve- pretty easy to round that 54 deaths to a month of results<br />
Or if yesterdays news is fair, 2 or 3 deaths PER DAY equals 60-90 deaths per months in Idaho is about par. At that rate, it is 700-1,000 deaths for a year, in Idaho, WHILE ISOLATED!</p>
<p>The normal 200+ flu/pneu deaths are when people just don&#8217;t give a dang and that happens. </p>
<p>Anyone want to guess how many Idahoan would have died IF every gym was open, daycares, restaurants,<br />
bars, business as usual for the past month?<br />
Answer: WAY TF more than &#8220;the annual flu&#8221;.  </p>
<p>The total Covid deaths in US is expected to be about 50,000 by May 1.<br />
The first death was Feb 28- (known cause at the time and of course is now likely much earlier).  In any case, March and April = 50,000 deaths.  with 100% awareness in place.<br />
25,000 deaths per month, WITH isolation and if continues, it could be 300,000 deaths in 12 months.<br />
Maybe it&#8217;s reduced in the summer. But based on worldwide facts, the virus is spreading just fine in the southern hemisphere too (it is summertime there- in case you hoax nuts are not aware of how the sun works). There is no reason to think it will go away. </p>
<p>In recent years, flu-related deaths have ranged from about 12,000 to — in the worst year — 56,000, according to the CDC.  2017-2018 was the worst with 80,000 (over a whole season) with no attention to it.  !Normally! more like 30- 50,000 deaths per year in the US.<br />
Remind me how many for covid already? Under isolation?  &#8212; almost 50,000 already in TWO MONTHS. </p>
<p>THIS year- Feb 15 thru April 11th, the actual flu death number is 5,474.<br />
Covid looks like 4 to 10 x as many deaths. </p>
<p>Live free or die?  Sure, Sounds great.<br />
But our health care and funeral system can’t handle that slogan.</p>
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