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		By: Goteburg		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2021 02:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello I live in the Northend and avoid local politics. One thing I&#039;ve noticed is that the overly-moderated and slowly-dying Northend FB group lacks diversity; so if given the chance to affect the March 18th election I&#039;d prefer to go against whatever the moderators there support (they probably all agree with each other, as usual).  I&#039;d also like my vote to support anyone who approves of the tavern. Trying to NIMBY that tavern out of business is the antithesis of the (phony) Northend spirit of being an open-minded, free thinking liberal person.  Spoiled phony champagne liberals won&#039;t allow a small friendly B&#038;B a block away from the existing commercial district and among a busy street full of apartments? It&#039;s a mockery.  So please let me know who supports the tavern if possible by commenting here.  Thank you!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello I live in the Northend and avoid local politics. One thing I&#8217;ve noticed is that the overly-moderated and slowly-dying Northend FB group lacks diversity; so if given the chance to affect the March 18th election I&#8217;d prefer to go against whatever the moderators there support (they probably all agree with each other, as usual).  I&#8217;d also like my vote to support anyone who approves of the tavern. Trying to NIMBY that tavern out of business is the antithesis of the (phony) Northend spirit of being an open-minded, free thinking liberal person.  Spoiled phony champagne liberals won&#8217;t allow a small friendly B&amp;B a block away from the existing commercial district and among a busy street full of apartments? It&#8217;s a mockery.  So please let me know who supports the tavern if possible by commenting here.  Thank you!</p>
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		By: Forced Air		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2020/12/09/north-enders-split-on-election/#comment-108707</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Forced Air]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2020 21:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Northend. I lived in 4 homes there from 1962 to 1973. I went to the Catholic school on Fort St. It used to be a really great place to grow up and live. 

Do you want to know what the future of the Northend (and maybe all of Boise) is if we keep electing who we are electing....watch this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WijoL3Hy_Bw&#038;feature=youtu.be]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Northend. I lived in 4 homes there from 1962 to 1973. I went to the Catholic school on Fort St. It used to be a really great place to grow up and live. </p>
<p>Do you want to know what the future of the Northend (and maybe all of Boise) is if we keep electing who we are electing&#8230;.watch this&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WijoL3Hy_Bw&#038;feature=youtu.be" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WijoL3Hy_Bw&#038;feature=youtu.be</a></p>
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		By: NonEasterner		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2020/12/09/north-enders-split-on-election/#comment-108695</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2020 18:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Easterner is back again, and she/he  hasn&#039;t changed a bit. Nor&#039;Easter storms are so similar to the Guardian&#039;s bitter and cold &quot;Easterner,&quot; that a closer look is merited.
Elements of a Nor&#039;Easter are a type of massive cyclonic storm (cyclonic being counter clockwise), Easterner&#039;s judgmental &#038; biased commentaries are Counter to any good norm. Nor&#039;easters also are described as the storms that are destructive with continuous gales.
The Guardian&#039;s Easterner offers destructive and never constructive opinions. Because of its instability, Nor&#039;Easters disrupt communities. 
Yes, the Easterner is an unstable person who bitterly complains and never offers anything good or beneficial.People hate &#039;em.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easterner is back again, and she/he  hasn&#8217;t changed a bit. Nor&#8217;Easter storms are so similar to the Guardian&#8217;s bitter and cold &#8220;Easterner,&#8221; that a closer look is merited.<br />
Elements of a Nor&#8217;Easter are a type of massive cyclonic storm (cyclonic being counter clockwise), Easterner&#8217;s judgmental &amp; biased commentaries are Counter to any good norm. Nor&#8217;easters also are described as the storms that are destructive with continuous gales.<br />
The Guardian&#8217;s Easterner offers destructive and never constructive opinions. Because of its instability, Nor&#8217;Easters disrupt communities.<br />
Yes, the Easterner is an unstable person who bitterly complains and never offers anything good or beneficial.People hate &#8217;em.</p>
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		By: Easterner		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2020/12/09/north-enders-split-on-election/#comment-108680</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Easterner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2020 23:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Perhaps the City Council puts too much reliance on associations- particularly trying to come up with a &quot;neighborhood consensus&quot; in making decisions.  

The NENA situation is representative of what can easily happen in many &#039;systems&#039;.  HOAs included- just a few neighborhood nerds can easily take over!
  
But more in the line of the Guardian content, the Idaho GOP has been under attack by many infiltrators on the far right for a long time- the Libertarians and the straight-up wackos of more concern.  

It starts at the SMALL local level of precincts.  Get a hand full of people in symphony to vote for their fellowship and before the reasonable people have a chance to notice, the wheels start to fall off.   Get control of enough precincts, then the district, and then the party chair shifts and then the grid-lock makes the party look like baffoons instead of reasonable politics. 
Look at the elected elephants directly opposing Governor Little on many issues. An L is not an R. 
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Split Idaho into 3 parties of influence and let&#039;s see what happens.  Recall, Ada County voted Blue in many races. In 2020 Idaho went 1/3 for the Dem ticket.  Take that R vote and split it in half (Republicans and the &#039;whatever else crowd).... Then who wins?   
This is probably why the real Republican leadership hasn&#039;t booted the TeaBaggers OUT: Scared of losing their perceived control.  And now their infighting.  A Republican Governor saying, &quot;Masks saves lives&quot; and a Rep Ada County Commissioners saying &quot;no masks- no way&quot;- one of them soon to be on the Health District Board. Right along with a LtGov opposing our Republican elected Attorney General on a matter of law.   
That kind of bottom-of-the-pond gunk starts building from the bottom. 

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/may/26/primary-shakes-idaho-republican-party/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the City Council puts too much reliance on associations- particularly trying to come up with a &#8220;neighborhood consensus&#8221; in making decisions.  </p>
<p>The NENA situation is representative of what can easily happen in many &#8216;systems&#8217;.  HOAs included- just a few neighborhood nerds can easily take over!</p>
<p>But more in the line of the Guardian content, the Idaho GOP has been under attack by many infiltrators on the far right for a long time- the Libertarians and the straight-up wackos of more concern.  </p>
<p>It starts at the SMALL local level of precincts.  Get a hand full of people in symphony to vote for their fellowship and before the reasonable people have a chance to notice, the wheels start to fall off.   Get control of enough precincts, then the district, and then the party chair shifts and then the grid-lock makes the party look like baffoons instead of reasonable politics.<br />
Look at the elected elephants directly opposing Governor Little on many issues. An L is not an R.<br />
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Split Idaho into 3 parties of influence and let&#8217;s see what happens.  Recall, Ada County voted Blue in many races. In 2020 Idaho went 1/3 for the Dem ticket.  Take that R vote and split it in half (Republicans and the &#8216;whatever else crowd)&#8230;. Then who wins?<br />
This is probably why the real Republican leadership hasn&#8217;t booted the TeaBaggers OUT: Scared of losing their perceived control.  And now their infighting.  A Republican Governor saying, &#8220;Masks saves lives&#8221; and a Rep Ada County Commissioners saying &#8220;no masks- no way&#8221;- one of them soon to be on the Health District Board. Right along with a LtGov opposing our Republican elected Attorney General on a matter of law.<br />
That kind of bottom-of-the-pond gunk starts building from the bottom. </p>
<p><a href="https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/may/26/primary-shakes-idaho-republican-party/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/may/26/primary-shakes-idaho-republican-party/</a></p>
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		By: Jill Gustafson		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2020/12/09/north-enders-split-on-election/#comment-108679</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jill Gustafson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2020 18:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Are these comments being moderated? Why is bullying language being allowed? A Real Idahoan’s comment needs to be deleted with an apology posted.

EDITOR NOTE--I thought about the comment, but since it didn&#039;t go after anyone personally, I let it stand.  It says a lot about the commenter and unfortunately may be representative of other.  Conversely it is somewhat like comments against &quot;old white men.&quot;  I don&#039;t want to open a gender debate, only explain the decision to allow the comment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are these comments being moderated? Why is bullying language being allowed? A Real Idahoan’s comment needs to be deleted with an apology posted.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;I thought about the comment, but since it didn&#8217;t go after anyone personally, I let it stand.  It says a lot about the commenter and unfortunately may be representative of other.  Conversely it is somewhat like comments against &#8220;old white men.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t want to open a gender debate, only explain the decision to allow the comment.</p>
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		By: Leave Our Elections Alone		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leave Our Elections Alone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2020 23:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nothing but hearsay and repeated unfounded accusations have tied the newly elected board members together as a group.  All 6 victors in the NENA election acted together?  The other 4 that did not prevail were not a part of this group?  That is all highly unlikely.  The hearsay, groupthink, and accusations against the winners of the election are amounting to more of an outlandish conspiracy than anything Rudy Giuliani could dream up with his hands down his own pants.   Let&#039;s be clear here:  the real coup group is comprised of the people that signed a petition to hold a new election because they did not like the results of the yearly NENA election.  These people&#039;s efforts are similar to the Trump campaign, Rebecca Arnold&#039;s ACHD campaign , and the GOP States that are all trying to overturn the result of an election ran with integrity.  We cannot continue to have elections until they see the &quot;correct&quot; result.  NENA&#039;s money needs to be spent fighting the recent hate and bigotry we are seeing in our city, not potential litigation over a neighborhood association election.  Nor should NENA spend money to placate the whims of coup petitioners, many who did not even show up to vote in the election in question.  Let&#039;s move on and let the election winners deal with real issues in our city.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing but hearsay and repeated unfounded accusations have tied the newly elected board members together as a group.  All 6 victors in the NENA election acted together?  The other 4 that did not prevail were not a part of this group?  That is all highly unlikely.  The hearsay, groupthink, and accusations against the winners of the election are amounting to more of an outlandish conspiracy than anything Rudy Giuliani could dream up with his hands down his own pants.   Let&#8217;s be clear here:  the real coup group is comprised of the people that signed a petition to hold a new election because they did not like the results of the yearly NENA election.  These people&#8217;s efforts are similar to the Trump campaign, Rebecca Arnold&#8217;s ACHD campaign , and the GOP States that are all trying to overturn the result of an election ran with integrity.  We cannot continue to have elections until they see the &#8220;correct&#8221; result.  NENA&#8217;s money needs to be spent fighting the recent hate and bigotry we are seeing in our city, not potential litigation over a neighborhood association election.  Nor should NENA spend money to placate the whims of coup petitioners, many who did not even show up to vote in the election in question.  Let&#8217;s move on and let the election winners deal with real issues in our city.</p>
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		By: katie fite		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2020/12/09/north-enders-split-on-election/#comment-108669</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2020 17:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A new article at BoiseDev business news with an Update on the contentious Tavern and a city council hearing on Tuesday. Looks to me like here too the coup faction shot itself in the foot with the NENA chaos. The Council just ordered mediation that will likelyl lead to the opening of the closed tavern. &quot;Normally, this process would go into mediation between the Franklin House and the North End Neighborhood Association. But, because NENA did not speak at the meeting, the owners will go into mediation with city staff to come up with a solution&quot;. An NA is likely to drive a harder bargain than City Staff! Especially staff that has been conditioned by 16 years under the former Mayor.
https://boisedev.com/news/2020/12/10/the-backyard-boise/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A new article at BoiseDev business news with an Update on the contentious Tavern and a city council hearing on Tuesday. Looks to me like here too the coup faction shot itself in the foot with the NENA chaos. The Council just ordered mediation that will likelyl lead to the opening of the closed tavern. &#8220;Normally, this process would go into mediation between the Franklin House and the North End Neighborhood Association. But, because NENA did not speak at the meeting, the owners will go into mediation with city staff to come up with a solution&#8221;. An NA is likely to drive a harder bargain than City Staff! Especially staff that has been conditioned by 16 years under the former Mayor.<br />
<a href="https://boisedev.com/news/2020/12/10/the-backyard-boise/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://boisedev.com/news/2020/12/10/the-backyard-boise/</a></p>
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		By: katie fite		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[katie fite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2020 01:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RE: Questions&#039;s question. I do not know if the people in the coup group are new or old residents. It&#039;s my understanding that there are a couple residents in the Block 75 part of the neighborhood  who go ballistic over anything to do with Block 75, and their deep resentment goes back to when the houses were demolished around 15 years ago. But that certainly doesn&#039;t seem to have been NENA&#039;s fault and not the fault of present-day Board folks. However, there may have been a core of nastiness that this blow up was built on, or that was played upon to give the blow up momentum. But again - I am not the person to ask about the individuals as I don&#039;t know any of them and didn&#039;t recognize any names from public meetings or events. The one hyperlink in the article is to the report that  NENA commissioned trying to work through some of the long lingering anger. HERE is the report: https://www.northendboise.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Block-75-Report.pdf and THIS next link has old news articles from the time of the Demolition: https://www.northendboise.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Block-75-Report-Appendices.pdf . The Appendix is worth reading - as it has news articles from 2002-2003. Way back then ACHD was already saying the traffic capacity of Fort St was too high. &quot;Fort Street already carries 8,360 trips a day, and Hays Street 6,140. Planners say the ideal maximum level for both streets is about 7,000 trips a day&quot;. I wonder what it is these days! AND if you read the older news articles: It sounds like P&#038;Z voted down giving the church Demo permits. Then Council voted 3-2 against Demo permits. Then the Church&#039;s lawyer said Council had to reconsider because there was nothing to prevent anyone being given Demo permits. And then the houses were torn down ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Questions&#8217;s question. I do not know if the people in the coup group are new or old residents. It&#8217;s my understanding that there are a couple residents in the Block 75 part of the neighborhood  who go ballistic over anything to do with Block 75, and their deep resentment goes back to when the houses were demolished around 15 years ago. But that certainly doesn&#8217;t seem to have been NENA&#8217;s fault and not the fault of present-day Board folks. However, there may have been a core of nastiness that this blow up was built on, or that was played upon to give the blow up momentum. But again &#8211; I am not the person to ask about the individuals as I don&#8217;t know any of them and didn&#8217;t recognize any names from public meetings or events. The one hyperlink in the article is to the report that  NENA commissioned trying to work through some of the long lingering anger. HERE is the report: <a href="https://www.northendboise.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Block-75-Report.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.northendboise.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Block-75-Report.pdf</a> and THIS next link has old news articles from the time of the Demolition: <a href="https://www.northendboise.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Block-75-Report-Appendices.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.northendboise.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Block-75-Report-Appendices.pdf</a> . The Appendix is worth reading &#8211; as it has news articles from 2002-2003. Way back then ACHD was already saying the traffic capacity of Fort St was too high. &#8220;Fort Street already carries 8,360 trips a day, and Hays Street 6,140. Planners say the ideal maximum level for both streets is about 7,000 trips a day&#8221;. I wonder what it is these days! AND if you read the older news articles: It sounds like P&amp;Z voted down giving the church Demo permits. Then Council voted 3-2 against Demo permits. Then the Church&#8217;s lawyer said Council had to reconsider because there was nothing to prevent anyone being given Demo permits. And then the houses were torn down &#8230;</p>
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		By: Question for Katie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2020 22:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Are the newly elected board members - the coup group - are they new residents who have recently moved into the North End from out of state? Or are they long time North Enders? It sounds to me like this might be a case of new residents (aka Californians) wanting to take control of the NENA.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are the newly elected board members &#8211; the coup group &#8211; are they new residents who have recently moved into the North End from out of state? Or are they long time North Enders? It sounds to me like this might be a case of new residents (aka Californians) wanting to take control of the NENA.</p>
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		By: More To The Story		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[More To The Story]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2020 19:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For input NENA is making to the city of Boise, they should be notifying affected residents prior to making recommendations.  That is especially true when web-sites, social media pages, and newsletters may not reach affected residents or may not be updated about the issues at all.  Before providing input to the city, NENA needs to ensure that it has reached out to affected residents for input.  NENA could e-mail residents like other neighborhood associations do.  NENA has enough money to hire a local printer to print post cards and send them to affected residents who may not be able to be reached electronically. NENA&#039;s outreach is currently inadequate and needs improvement.  People voted in the election, in part, because of this lack of outreach.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For input NENA is making to the city of Boise, they should be notifying affected residents prior to making recommendations.  That is especially true when web-sites, social media pages, and newsletters may not reach affected residents or may not be updated about the issues at all.  Before providing input to the city, NENA needs to ensure that it has reached out to affected residents for input.  NENA could e-mail residents like other neighborhood associations do.  NENA has enough money to hire a local printer to print post cards and send them to affected residents who may not be able to be reached electronically. NENA&#8217;s outreach is currently inadequate and needs improvement.  People voted in the election, in part, because of this lack of outreach.</p>
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