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		By: PD		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2022/06/29/ada-parks-boise-river-never-safe/#comment-110877</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2022 18:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Guardian doesn’t offer such critique about police presence.

Yesterday, for Independence Day, BPD posted an official BPD SUV and officer on Eckert Rd to monitor the parking on Eckert Rd- a favorite since Ada County does not have adequate parking at Barber.  It was there when I arrived and when I left. So it was not there for an incident.  

Let&#039;s apply Guardian method to Boise Police on the river.   
–Should BPD provide parking security to the Harris Ranch neighborhood, like they do NOWHERE ELSE? 
–Is the Harris Ranch complaint legit since they ALL knew about the river parking when it was developed?
–Will the BPD have a crew on the river every day? Is it necessary?
–How much are regular BPD officers  paid hourly?  To be a meter maid? 
–With so many illegal parking every weekend should the float be banned?  

Extra points- sitting in Harris Ranch to be a METER MAID for the neighborhood!  Where is that post?

EDITOR NOTE--Doubtful most BPD would agree with getting a &quot;pass&quot; from GUARDIAN.  As for the Eckert Rd. parking issue, you just got it posted!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Guardian doesn’t offer such critique about police presence.</p>
<p>Yesterday, for Independence Day, BPD posted an official BPD SUV and officer on Eckert Rd to monitor the parking on Eckert Rd- a favorite since Ada County does not have adequate parking at Barber.  It was there when I arrived and when I left. So it was not there for an incident.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s apply Guardian method to Boise Police on the river.<br />
–Should BPD provide parking security to the Harris Ranch neighborhood, like they do NOWHERE ELSE?<br />
–Is the Harris Ranch complaint legit since they ALL knew about the river parking when it was developed?<br />
–Will the BPD have a crew on the river every day? Is it necessary?<br />
–How much are regular BPD officers  paid hourly?  To be a meter maid?<br />
–With so many illegal parking every weekend should the float be banned?  </p>
<p>Extra points- sitting in Harris Ranch to be a METER MAID for the neighborhood!  Where is that post?</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Doubtful most BPD would agree with getting a &#8220;pass&#8221; from GUARDIAN.  As for the Eckert Rd. parking issue, you just got it posted!!</p>
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		By: US Law says NO		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2022/06/29/ada-parks-boise-river-never-safe/#comment-110873</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[US Law says NO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2022 00:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PD - River runners are encouraged to be very respectful of land that is being crossed to access a river. Contacting the land owner and asking is often done. 

If there is a few feet of travel on a property to the high water mark, as is the case at the put in on the Boise, with a well traveled trail, most just use that route.

If you are crossing private property and a land owner is unfriendly to the idea, and the river is closer than the public road, there’s nothing preventing you from leaving via the river.

If city/ county property, well, that is mine and yours. It was set aside for public use, and we paid/pay for it, so having some self-important jerk telling you that you can’t be on your land to run a river that the US Supreme Court says you can run is just ridiculous and unenforceable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PD &#8211; River runners are encouraged to be very respectful of land that is being crossed to access a river. Contacting the land owner and asking is often done. </p>
<p>If there is a few feet of travel on a property to the high water mark, as is the case at the put in on the Boise, with a well traveled trail, most just use that route.</p>
<p>If you are crossing private property and a land owner is unfriendly to the idea, and the river is closer than the public road, there’s nothing preventing you from leaving via the river.</p>
<p>If city/ county property, well, that is mine and yours. It was set aside for public use, and we paid/pay for it, so having some self-important jerk telling you that you can’t be on your land to run a river that the US Supreme Court says you can run is just ridiculous and unenforceable.</p>
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		By: PD		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2022 22:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@US Internet Lawyer.... while you have full legal right to be on the river there is the requisite put-in and take out.  For the Boise River, above high water mark, those are either on private property or city/county property.  Now what?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@US Internet Lawyer&#8230;. while you have full legal right to be on the river there is the requisite put-in and take out.  For the Boise River, above high water mark, those are either on private property or city/county property.  Now what?</p>
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		By: bikeboy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2022/06/29/ada-parks-boise-river-never-safe/#comment-110871</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bikeboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2022 22:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Official Declaration: &quot;The beautiful Boise River bifurcating our city is the jurisdiction of the Idaho Department of Water Resources and therefore the City of Boise does not have any legal authority to regulate float traffic on the river.&quot;

So either the State requires life jackets on the kiddos, or it&#039;s more of a &quot;suggestion&quot; than a &quot;requirement.&quot;

Has the City ALWAYS provided rescue services?  I&#039;ve been floating the Boise River for at least 60 years; to the best of my knowledge, BFD river rescues are a fairly recent development.

It would be interesting to know how much public money is spent rescuing individuals who aren&#039;t prepared for &quot;use-at-your-own-risk&quot;:
- hiking the back country
- floating the river
- skiiing outside the bounds of the resort
- mountain climbing, caving, hiking in slot canyons, etc.
Perhaps the bureaucracy is interfering with the Law of Natural Selection... ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Official Declaration: &#8220;The beautiful Boise River bifurcating our city is the jurisdiction of the Idaho Department of Water Resources and therefore the City of Boise does not have any legal authority to regulate float traffic on the river.&#8221;</p>
<p>So either the State requires life jackets on the kiddos, or it&#8217;s more of a &#8220;suggestion&#8221; than a &#8220;requirement.&#8221;</p>
<p>Has the City ALWAYS provided rescue services?  I&#8217;ve been floating the Boise River for at least 60 years; to the best of my knowledge, BFD river rescues are a fairly recent development.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to know how much public money is spent rescuing individuals who aren&#8217;t prepared for &#8220;use-at-your-own-risk&#8221;:<br />
&#8211; hiking the back country<br />
&#8211; floating the river<br />
&#8211; skiiing outside the bounds of the resort<br />
&#8211; mountain climbing, caving, hiking in slot canyons, etc.<br />
Perhaps the bureaucracy is interfering with the Law of Natural Selection&#8230; ?</p>
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		By: PD		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2022/06/29/ada-parks-boise-river-never-safe/#comment-110870</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2022 19:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For the: 
EDITOR NOTE–Does anyone have to rescue those who take on the personal risk?

Editor, does an ambulance have to show up for heart-attack person who ate 1,001 BigMacs?  
When the dumas puts hot coals in the garbage can and burns down his house, does Boise Fire have to save that house for the person who took the risk the coals were not too hot?   

Terrible question!  Bad attitude.  
Now get off my lawn!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the:<br />
EDITOR NOTE–Does anyone have to rescue those who take on the personal risk?</p>
<p>Editor, does an ambulance have to show up for heart-attack person who ate 1,001 BigMacs?<br />
When the dumas puts hot coals in the garbage can and burns down his house, does Boise Fire have to save that house for the person who took the risk the coals were not too hot?   </p>
<p>Terrible question!  Bad attitude.<br />
Now get off my lawn!</p>
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		By: US Law says NO		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2022/06/29/ada-parks-boise-river-never-safe/#comment-110869</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[US Law says NO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2022 16:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here’s the best source I could find on the topic of the Supreme Court law on freedom of navigation on USA waterways…

“… 8. State and local restrictions on use of navigable rivers have to be legitimately related to enhancing public trust value, not reducing it. Rivers cannot be closed or partially closed to appease adjacent landowners, or to appease people who want to dedicate the river to fishing only, or to make life easier for local law enforcement agencies.

9. State governments (through state courts and legislatures) cannot reduce public rights to navigate and visit navigable rivers within their borders, but they can expand those rights, and some states have done so...”

http://southwestpaddler.com/docs/caselaw.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s the best source I could find on the topic of the Supreme Court law on freedom of navigation on USA waterways…</p>
<p>“… 8. State and local restrictions on use of navigable rivers have to be legitimately related to enhancing public trust value, not reducing it. Rivers cannot be closed or partially closed to appease adjacent landowners, or to appease people who want to dedicate the river to fishing only, or to make life easier for local law enforcement agencies.</p>
<p>9. State governments (through state courts and legislatures) cannot reduce public rights to navigate and visit navigable rivers within their borders, but they can expand those rights, and some states have done so&#8230;”</p>
<p><a href="http://southwestpaddler.com/docs/caselaw.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://southwestpaddler.com/docs/caselaw.html</a></p>
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		By: Porcupine		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2022/06/29/ada-parks-boise-river-never-safe/#comment-110868</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Porcupine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2022 13:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh and Mr. Guardian.. Have you seen the  Boise Fire Departments new Electric Motor bikes.... impressive with all of the gear they pack on it.  Good to be green when you rescue someone in distress.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and Mr. Guardian.. Have you seen the  Boise Fire Departments new Electric Motor bikes&#8230;. impressive with all of the gear they pack on it.  Good to be green when you rescue someone in distress.</p>
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		By: Porcupine		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2022/06/29/ada-parks-boise-river-never-safe/#comment-110867</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Porcupine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2022 12:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We must keep the Boise Fire Department ready for any emergency on the river.... A few of us remember when the firefighters had to be rescued after a training accident on the river.  
https://idahonews.com/news/local/firefighters-trapped-under-broadway-bridge-after-boat-loses-power

https://boiseguardian.com/2019/04/30/do-as-we-say-not-as-we-do/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We must keep the Boise Fire Department ready for any emergency on the river&#8230;. A few of us remember when the firefighters had to be rescued after a training accident on the river.<br />
<a href="https://idahonews.com/news/local/firefighters-trapped-under-broadway-bridge-after-boat-loses-power" rel="nofollow ugc">https://idahonews.com/news/local/firefighters-trapped-under-broadway-bridge-after-boat-loses-power</a></p>
<p><a href="https://boiseguardian.com/2019/04/30/do-as-we-say-not-as-we-do/" rel="ugc">https://boiseguardian.com/2019/04/30/do-as-we-say-not-as-we-do/</a></p>
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		By: US Law says NO		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2022 03:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I’ve never heard of any requirement by anyone to rescue any recreational climber, mountaineer, kayaker, rafter, runner, skateboarder, etc.

Idaho Mountain Search and Rescue is a group mostly composed of outdoor enthusiasts who wanted a solution for people getting lost or trapped in difficult situations, but it’s just a courtesy.

Governments are supposed to protect citizens, but mostly seem much more interested in stealing from us.

If some would propose a ban on dangerous activities, let’s solve the biggest problem first by outlawing fast / junk food and sugar drinks. Next, we could ban cars. Those 2 things cause most of the monetary damage.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve never heard of any requirement by anyone to rescue any recreational climber, mountaineer, kayaker, rafter, runner, skateboarder, etc.</p>
<p>Idaho Mountain Search and Rescue is a group mostly composed of outdoor enthusiasts who wanted a solution for people getting lost or trapped in difficult situations, but it’s just a courtesy.</p>
<p>Governments are supposed to protect citizens, but mostly seem much more interested in stealing from us.</p>
<p>If some would propose a ban on dangerous activities, let’s solve the biggest problem first by outlawing fast / junk food and sugar drinks. Next, we could ban cars. Those 2 things cause most of the monetary damage.</p>
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		By: US Law says NO		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[US Law says NO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2022 02:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Having kayaked and rafted the Boise for decades, I had to be able to quote USA law when safety freaks said I couldn’t float the river at high levels.

Federal Law prevents anyone from impeding navigable waterways in the United States.

That’s why the authorities can’t do anything when you want to go have fun in conditions that might be deadly for unskilled people.

So, the answer is a definitive NO. 

EDITOR NOTE--Does anyone have to rescue those who take on the personal risk?

Nobody can ban anyone from floating the Boise River, based on their personal fears, or risk / benefit analysis, no matter the flow level.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having kayaked and rafted the Boise for decades, I had to be able to quote USA law when safety freaks said I couldn’t float the river at high levels.</p>
<p>Federal Law prevents anyone from impeding navigable waterways in the United States.</p>
<p>That’s why the authorities can’t do anything when you want to go have fun in conditions that might be deadly for unskilled people.</p>
<p>So, the answer is a definitive NO. </p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Does anyone have to rescue those who take on the personal risk?</p>
<p>Nobody can ban anyone from floating the Boise River, based on their personal fears, or risk / benefit analysis, no matter the flow level.</p>
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