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		By: For the Defense		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[For the Defense]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2023 13:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the response, Guy.  I challenge you to post a copy of the the current Boise police union contract here and let the community take a look. I suspect the due process provisions provided in the contract far exceed those extended to most employees in the private sector.  The scary part is those provisions protect people who can: seize property, suspend someones liberty; and, extinguish life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the response, Guy.  I challenge you to post a copy of the the current Boise police union contract here and let the community take a look. I suspect the due process provisions provided in the contract far exceed those extended to most employees in the private sector.  The scary part is those provisions protect people who can: seize property, suspend someones liberty; and, extinguish life.</p>
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		By: Roscoe		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2023/07/29/bourgeau-responds-to-critics/#comment-111720</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2023 20:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;stop recruiting our police leaders from trash cities in Washington, Oregon and California.&quot;

So you are saying recruit the transfer officers from California trash cities, and then change the union to allow those same folks from trash cities to move up in the ranks?
hilarious reasoning. 

&quot;The Union helped create an environment where there is a dis-incentive&quot;   
Good to know the Union is counter-productive, expecting TVoR actually knows anything of reality.  
And somehow the city council is going to change the Union?  Nonsense!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;stop recruiting our police leaders from trash cities in Washington, Oregon and California.&#8221;</p>
<p>So you are saying recruit the transfer officers from California trash cities, and then change the union to allow those same folks from trash cities to move up in the ranks?<br />
hilarious reasoning. </p>
<p>&#8220;The Union helped create an environment where there is a dis-incentive&#8221;<br />
Good to know the Union is counter-productive, expecting TVoR actually knows anything of reality.<br />
And somehow the city council is going to change the Union?  Nonsense!</p>
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		By: The voice of reason		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2023/07/29/bourgeau-responds-to-critics/#comment-111719</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The voice of reason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2023 15:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Are unions bad?  Depends on who you ask.  If you ask a Boise Police officer (Sergeant and below), the answer would be NO.  The union has fought hard for good pay, benefits and &quot;protection&quot; for its members.  So much so, there is no benefit to go above Sergeant rank.  That is why they have to recruit from outside for Lieutenant and above positions.  Recruiting from outside has proven to bring poor leadership and bad culture to Boise.  While I don&#039;t think anybody should have special &quot;protection&quot; in a normal working environment, the City of Boise is not &quot;normal&quot;.  The Union helped create an environment where there is a dis-incentive for good leaders to go beyond Sergeant both in pay and &quot;protection&quot;.  The best way to fix this problem is to elect new leadership at City Hall that can/will work effectively with the Police and the Union.  We need to stop recruiting our police leaders from trash cities in Washington, Oregon and California.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are unions bad?  Depends on who you ask.  If you ask a Boise Police officer (Sergeant and below), the answer would be NO.  The union has fought hard for good pay, benefits and &#8220;protection&#8221; for its members.  So much so, there is no benefit to go above Sergeant rank.  That is why they have to recruit from outside for Lieutenant and above positions.  Recruiting from outside has proven to bring poor leadership and bad culture to Boise.  While I don&#8217;t think anybody should have special &#8220;protection&#8221; in a normal working environment, the City of Boise is not &#8220;normal&#8221;.  The Union helped create an environment where there is a dis-incentive for good leaders to go beyond Sergeant both in pay and &#8220;protection&#8221;.  The best way to fix this problem is to elect new leadership at City Hall that can/will work effectively with the Police and the Union.  We need to stop recruiting our police leaders from trash cities in Washington, Oregon and California.</p>
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		By: western guy		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2023/07/29/bourgeau-responds-to-critics/#comment-111710</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2023 00:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Unions have a place in the workplace. But they protect their own (immediately filing restraining orders, etc.) when an officer behaves badly.  Even before the facts are known.

Calling a Mayor&#039;s office &#039;corrupt&#039; is bad form.  State details.  Facts.  Not conjecture and Trump-ish blather.

The writer claims their union believes in training and professionalism:  look at the recent report on academy graduates.  And the City dropping any academic credits needed to apply to the force!

Finally, the &#039;beards and tats&#039; appearance of police officers only reinforces the public&#039;s notion that many officers are thugs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unions have a place in the workplace. But they protect their own (immediately filing restraining orders, etc.) when an officer behaves badly.  Even before the facts are known.</p>
<p>Calling a Mayor&#8217;s office &#8216;corrupt&#8217; is bad form.  State details.  Facts.  Not conjecture and Trump-ish blather.</p>
<p>The writer claims their union believes in training and professionalism:  look at the recent report on academy graduates.  And the City dropping any academic credits needed to apply to the force!</p>
<p>Finally, the &#8216;beards and tats&#8217; appearance of police officers only reinforces the public&#8217;s notion that many officers are thugs.</p>
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		By: Rosco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rosco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2023 23:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ben is not even the mayor. 
  
Rule #1. Don&#039;t call the cops. 
Rule #2. Don&#039;t talk to cops.   
Rule #3. Don&#039;t trust the cops.
Says the lawyers. Proof is online in thousands of videos of documentation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben is not even the mayor. </p>
<p>Rule #1. Don&#8217;t call the cops.<br />
Rule #2. Don&#8217;t talk to cops.<br />
Rule #3. Don&#8217;t trust the cops.<br />
Says the lawyers. Proof is online in thousands of videos of documentation.</p>
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		By: Ben		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2023 22:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Look Mate, the BPD have murdered quite a few people, because those cops were cowards.

I didn&#039;t kill any cops when they had their guns pointed at me, after I called them to respond to a battery I was a victim of.

But just recently, a guy was shot IN THE BACK, but his murderer will go unpunished and why might you ask. Simple, police unions. They protect dirty cops, always.

Also, the Ombudsman, who was put into place to reign in the police misconduct and violence, but that office is useless. I know, as I wanted to file a complaint about a BPD copper who committed perjury  while trying to see me convicted for a crime I did NOT commit.

Guy, I wouldn&#039;t trust you or your ilk for a single Gdamn thing.
Y&#039;all a bunch of bigots and power hungry bruits.
I have nothing but contempt for the whole lot of you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look Mate, the BPD have murdered quite a few people, because those cops were cowards.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t kill any cops when they had their guns pointed at me, after I called them to respond to a battery I was a victim of.</p>
<p>But just recently, a guy was shot IN THE BACK, but his murderer will go unpunished and why might you ask. Simple, police unions. They protect dirty cops, always.</p>
<p>Also, the Ombudsman, who was put into place to reign in the police misconduct and violence, but that office is useless. I know, as I wanted to file a complaint about a BPD copper who committed perjury  while trying to see me convicted for a crime I did NOT commit.</p>
<p>Guy, I wouldn&#8217;t trust you or your ilk for a single Gdamn thing.<br />
Y&#8217;all a bunch of bigots and power hungry bruits.<br />
I have nothing but contempt for the whole lot of you.</p>
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