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		By: Joe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Does anybody know how many signatures need to be collected in order to recall Mayor Bieter?

EDITOR NOTE--Forget about it Joe!  It takes 20% of the REGISTERED voters just to get it on the ballot and we seldom have that many vote.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anybody know how many signatures need to be collected in order to recall Mayor Bieter?</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Forget about it Joe!  It takes 20% of the REGISTERED voters just to get it on the ballot and we seldom have that many vote.</p>
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		By: costaprettypenny		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2012/12/03/achd-commish-fires-another-round-at-bieter-pay-hike/#comment-36923</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[costaprettypenny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 03:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well said Rebecca]]></description>
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		By: rabula		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2012/12/03/achd-commish-fires-another-round-at-bieter-pay-hike/#comment-36922</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rabula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 03:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nan, If you are correct, mayor &#038; council will stand for election before the pay hikes take effect. If that&#039;s the case, what&#039;s the beef? Those who don&#039;t think the increase is deserved can vote them out before they can benefit. 

BTW, since the mayor has not taken a raise in eight years, and council in six, the 20- and 18-percent hikes ARE about equal to cumulative cost-of-living adjustments (COLA) over those periods. If an automatic COLA were added to their salary ordinance, this kind of seemingly steep pay hike could be avoided.

Looks like Ms. Arnold has her eye on that $110,000 seat. The lady doth protest much.

EDITOR NOTE--As we understand it, the raises are a two step process.  Also, the 8 yrs. without a raise is a red herring.  Bieter has often bragged about not using a city issued car or taking a raise and it has gotten him reelected.  HE never said he would ask for a raise during a campaign.  Also, the newest councilors are paid the same as the longest serving.  If Bieter is defeated, his opponent will get the higher salary as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nan, If you are correct, mayor &amp; council will stand for election before the pay hikes take effect. If that&#8217;s the case, what&#8217;s the beef? Those who don&#8217;t think the increase is deserved can vote them out before they can benefit. </p>
<p>BTW, since the mayor has not taken a raise in eight years, and council in six, the 20- and 18-percent hikes ARE about equal to cumulative cost-of-living adjustments (COLA) over those periods. If an automatic COLA were added to their salary ordinance, this kind of seemingly steep pay hike could be avoided.</p>
<p>Looks like Ms. Arnold has her eye on that $110,000 seat. The lady doth protest much.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;As we understand it, the raises are a two step process.  Also, the 8 yrs. without a raise is a red herring.  Bieter has often bragged about not using a city issued car or taking a raise and it has gotten him reelected.  HE never said he would ask for a raise during a campaign.  Also, the newest councilors are paid the same as the longest serving.  If Bieter is defeated, his opponent will get the higher salary as well.</p>
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		By: Nan Emouse		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2012/12/03/achd-commish-fires-another-round-at-bieter-pay-hike/#comment-36917</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nan Emouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 01:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One must note that the raise does not take effect until the January AFTER the next election which is November 2013.  Therefore, what was the rush to pass it one year beforehand?  Because dear readers, the memory will have long faded.  

In an ethical world, the Mayor and Council would have raised this during the summer of 2013 during the budget hearings.  But then, the furor would be fresh and perhaps some decent alternatives would come forth to run our city instead of the same stale liberal hacks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One must note that the raise does not take effect until the January AFTER the next election which is November 2013.  Therefore, what was the rush to pass it one year beforehand?  Because dear readers, the memory will have long faded.  </p>
<p>In an ethical world, the Mayor and Council would have raised this during the summer of 2013 during the budget hearings.  But then, the furor would be fresh and perhaps some decent alternatives would come forth to run our city instead of the same stale liberal hacks.</p>
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		By: Werner		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2012/12/03/achd-commish-fires-another-round-at-bieter-pay-hike/#comment-36915</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Werner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 00:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t believe the number of people defending the mayor and city council giving themselves a raise.  The term &quot;public servant&quot; seems to have been lost on the modern democrat.  And enough with this &quot;it only makes up x percent of the budget blah blah blah.&quot;  It is money going from the public coffer to a polititians pocket, everyone should care.  

I have a reasonable solution...If you don&#039;t think the mayor and city counsel&#039;s pay will keep up over time then just tie it to the CPI and have it adjusted for inflation.  But giving yourself a flat raise is the definition of self serving.  Anyone who is in support of such a raise is 1) someone who also benefits financially from the Mayor and City Council or 2) your a one sided political hack.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe the number of people defending the mayor and city council giving themselves a raise.  The term &#8220;public servant&#8221; seems to have been lost on the modern democrat.  And enough with this &#8220;it only makes up x percent of the budget blah blah blah.&#8221;  It is money going from the public coffer to a polititians pocket, everyone should care.  </p>
<p>I have a reasonable solution&#8230;If you don&#8217;t think the mayor and city counsel&#8217;s pay will keep up over time then just tie it to the CPI and have it adjusted for inflation.  But giving yourself a flat raise is the definition of self serving.  Anyone who is in support of such a raise is 1) someone who also benefits financially from the Mayor and City Council or 2) your a one sided political hack.</p>
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		By: T F Boy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T F Boy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 23:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Looks like Comm. Arnold is going to fill the vacuum left by the exit of Comm. Ullman.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like Comm. Arnold is going to fill the vacuum left by the exit of Comm. Ullman.</p>
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		By: Zippo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zippo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 20:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Big business has no interest in little isolated Boise anymore.  That era came and went with the local titans like J.R. and Joe.  Team Dave, like Obama, is trying to tax and spend in effort to replace them.  It will fail when people and business flee the taxes.  Urban crime will increase with the rate of welfare handouts too.

A plausible solution is for Team Dave to become super cheap on taxes for all, and super hands-off of small manufacturing / reseller type businesses which sell products outside of Boise.  For example one of our biggest successes is the national pull into Boise for corporate jet maintenance at the airport.  However, Team Dave will tax them off the airport soon with further airport expansion tax and spend projects.

Also perhaps Luke&#039;s can start to pull business from other states.  To do this they need short wait times and very high quality.  (Cleveland Clinic like concept.)

Team Dave points to service sector jobs as a success, but unless these are servicing outside of the Boise area the money is just pushed around a circle and taxed at each transaction.  Money for him each time but the pot is getting smaller with each cycle.

Since none of this has passed through the minds of the Team Dave brain trust, we need a new mayor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big business has no interest in little isolated Boise anymore.  That era came and went with the local titans like J.R. and Joe.  Team Dave, like Obama, is trying to tax and spend in effort to replace them.  It will fail when people and business flee the taxes.  Urban crime will increase with the rate of welfare handouts too.</p>
<p>A plausible solution is for Team Dave to become super cheap on taxes for all, and super hands-off of small manufacturing / reseller type businesses which sell products outside of Boise.  For example one of our biggest successes is the national pull into Boise for corporate jet maintenance at the airport.  However, Team Dave will tax them off the airport soon with further airport expansion tax and spend projects.</p>
<p>Also perhaps Luke&#8217;s can start to pull business from other states.  To do this they need short wait times and very high quality.  (Cleveland Clinic like concept.)</p>
<p>Team Dave points to service sector jobs as a success, but unless these are servicing outside of the Boise area the money is just pushed around a circle and taxed at each transaction.  Money for him each time but the pot is getting smaller with each cycle.</p>
<p>Since none of this has passed through the minds of the Team Dave brain trust, we need a new mayor.</p>
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		By: joki		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joki]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 16:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When the pot calls the kettle black, it&#039;s already over.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the pot calls the kettle black, it&#8217;s already over.</p>
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		By: slfisher		</title>
		<link>https://boiseguardian.com/2012/12/03/achd-commish-fires-another-round-at-bieter-pay-hike/#comment-36895</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[slfisher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 16:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why does Rebecca Arnold have such a wild hair going on about this? Did Dave Bieter spit in her cornflakes or what? Why is this such a crusade for her?

EDITOR NOTE--There is a history of bad blood.  Bieter wanted to take over ACHD in 2007.  https://boiseguardian.com/2007/03/08/bieter-wants-control-of-achd/  He also has pushed for a trolley for years without getting approval of ACHD, a sore point to say the least.  But to be clear, Arnold is writing on her own behalf, not in her official position.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does Rebecca Arnold have such a wild hair going on about this? Did Dave Bieter spit in her cornflakes or what? Why is this such a crusade for her?</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;There is a history of bad blood.  Bieter wanted to take over ACHD in 2007.  <a href="https://boiseguardian.com/2007/03/08/bieter-wants-control-of-achd/" rel="ugc">https://boiseguardian.com/2007/03/08/bieter-wants-control-of-achd/</a>  He also has pushed for a trolley for years without getting approval of ACHD, a sore point to say the least.  But to be clear, Arnold is writing on her own behalf, not in her official position.</p>
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		By: boisecynic		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boisecynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 16:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[People! You act like the entire $300,000,000 bi-annual city budget comes out of your very own pocket. Bieter&#039;s salary is less than 1/1000th of the annual city budget. 

The raise amounts to pennies per taxpayer per year. The City of Boise is a bigger operation than all but a handful of corporations in the entire state. Where are your complaints every time the CEO at HP or Micron or Simplot or DL Evans Bank gets a raise?

Steve Appleton&#039;s Micron stock was nearly a penny stock but he had the money to own and operate numerous aircraft and recklessly fly aerobatic aircraft. Most employees at Micron barely make enough to own and operate a car. What&#039;s up with that?

Meanwhile, the real economic parasites on Wall Street are making millions and profits as big as ever despite the fact they were responsible for all the hand wringing all you hand wringers are doing.

EDITOR NOTE--Hardly fair to mix private and public.  Totally different standard.  CEO takes from shareholders, politicos take from citizens.  If it is only pennies, why do politicos need to risk being tossed out?  Notice they don&#039;t give selves raises during election years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People! You act like the entire $300,000,000 bi-annual city budget comes out of your very own pocket. Bieter&#8217;s salary is less than 1/1000th of the annual city budget. </p>
<p>The raise amounts to pennies per taxpayer per year. The City of Boise is a bigger operation than all but a handful of corporations in the entire state. Where are your complaints every time the CEO at HP or Micron or Simplot or DL Evans Bank gets a raise?</p>
<p>Steve Appleton&#8217;s Micron stock was nearly a penny stock but he had the money to own and operate numerous aircraft and recklessly fly aerobatic aircraft. Most employees at Micron barely make enough to own and operate a car. What&#8217;s up with that?</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the real economic parasites on Wall Street are making millions and profits as big as ever despite the fact they were responsible for all the hand wringing all you hand wringers are doing.</p>
<p>EDITOR NOTE&#8211;Hardly fair to mix private and public.  Totally different standard.  CEO takes from shareholders, politicos take from citizens.  If it is only pennies, why do politicos need to risk being tossed out?  Notice they don&#8217;t give selves raises during election years.</p>
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