GARDEN VALLEY– A political undercurrent is shattering the tranquil facade of this scenic valley 40 miles north of Boise which has led to the recall of a school board member and an April 15 recall election of another board member.
It appears to the GUARDIAN that people are at odds over a bunch of issues that stem from former Superintendent Stan Kress’s unilateral action depositing $2 million in school funds with a credit union (not insured for that amount)–without school board approval. He has since resigned amid whispered comments that he was making life difficult for the whistleblower staffer who ratted him off to the school board.
A group calling itself “Friends of Garden Valley School District” is circulating handbills in the Garden Valley-Crouch-Lowman area and claims to be 60 people strong. They wouldn’t tell KTVB what they wanted out of life, but they are apparently the ones attempting to recall trustee Terry Elmore who was elected about a year ago.
The Friends circulated a petition to recall board member Elizabeth Dunn, changed their mind after submitting the election request, but it was judged to be too late to “un-ring the bell” and Dunn was subsequently recalled. Another issue reported by KTVB Channel 7 was a split board vote on whether to allow a teacher to continue to bring her infant with her to school. (Her husband is principal, but there have been no official complaints of nepotism). The board voted 3 to 2 NOT to allow her to bring the baby back. Dunn claims, she was told by a member of the Friends of the District that the ultimate goal was to get rid of the Superintendent Mike Tomlin and staffer Paula Fox.
The Idaho World newspaper has a story in the current issue detailing incidents of dissident members of the community appearing at the school with alcohol on their breath and using profanity. They have been issued “letters of restraint” by the school district detailing when they can visit the school. The letters are probably a bluff intended to foster civil conduct, but without force of law.
One of the pitfalls of a small community like Garden Valley is that everyone knows each other and they are reluctant to alienate friends, customers, and neighbors who may or may not share their views. As a result many people with “connections” to board members, teachers, students, and businesses fear recriminations if they make their views known.
There appears to be a grassroots movement to “get over it” and keep Terry Elmore in office. Meanwhile folks in the Valley can look at each other wondering exactly who the “Friends” of the district may be and whether or not they are friendly.
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Apr 8, 2010, 4:54 pm
Yep, welcome to Garden Valley, where the Fiends of the Garden Valley School District eat your young and the ghost of superintendents past reach out to destroy their dreams.
Apr 8, 2010, 6:59 pm
These so called “friends” of Garden Valley School are anything but. They operate in secrecy, afraid to give credence to their real cause. A group supposedly 60 strong afraid to make their real agenda know in fear of recriminations – really, if it were true there would be nothing to hide. Kind of reminds you of McCarthyism – old Joseph use to say he had names and issues in his brief case, as it turned out the brief case was only filled with booze.
Apr 8, 2010, 9:09 pm
Shades of Little House on the Prairie, where that feisty Nellie Oleson could sure stir up a dust bowl of trouble at the one-room schoolhouse! Beautiful small town with big ugly issues. I hope the townsfolk take a reasoned approach to the settlement of their differences.
Apr 8, 2010, 10:03 pm
If you’re thinking about relocating to an “idyllic” spot like Garden Valley, think again. What’s really sad is that the primary leaders of this “Fiends” movement are relative newcomers…one from California, and another that’s only been here for less than four years. Yet they are causing major chaos in the community. Don’t come to Garden Valley!!!! These folks will suck the life out of you!!!!
Apr 9, 2010, 12:23 am
Administration, remember that word. Everytime I see a “lets spend more money on the kids” or “do it for the kids” campaign I remember that it doesn’t go to “the kids.” It goes to pencil pushers, executives, and union thugs. Education is a farce. One of the most corrupt industries left. I mean really left. I challenge all of you to go to your local school districts website and take a look at the layers of bureacracy.
Why would a town of 2000 people have $2million dollar deposits to begin with? Oh thats right it was “for the kids”.
Apr 9, 2010, 9:08 am
@Werner: The $2 million was part of the bond money to build the new school.
Apr 9, 2010, 10:24 am
Maybe they should have an emergency law to prevent more than two non-related people from gathering and discussing local political issues. Such a law could prevent such underhanded people from strategizing on how to best exercise majority rule.
“Non-related” may be difficult to come by however.
I’ve concluded that small town life is why big towns were created.
Apr 9, 2010, 11:05 am
Werner: I ASKED QUESTIONS, unlike others, the $2 million was a portion of taxpayer’s bond money to be used to build a new facility for the kids. The former superintendent (secretly, without board approval or knowledge) demanded a check to be cut and handed to him, on his day off. Tell me that’s okay?
The “Friends” feel that a person on the administration and board members who DID EVERYTHING they could to protect the taxpayers money should be gone. They have been continually chastised, mean and evil behavior towards them (from individuals who “claim” to be Christians), recalls, etc. They have put their businesses on hold, spent little or no time with their families, all for the kids! Tell me what the “Friends” are doing is really for the kids?…Really?
THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY! Unfortunately people wish to only listen to one side and make judgment. There is a story. Let’s just say “I would love to see the “Friends” reaction then!!” If they only knew.
Apr 9, 2010, 2:05 pm
Stan Kress is an old political warhorse. He was Bob Huntley’s Boy Friday in the school funding lawsuit that dragged on for years, until the state got aggressive with them and with the goofy district judge Deborah Bail. Kress refused to repair his dangerous schools because if he did, it would nullify his lawsuit. Alas, that case is over, but it’s sad to see another school district enabling his bizzare agenda.
Apr 9, 2010, 2:28 pm
http://www.michaeltomlin.com/sccs.html
This is the website for the superintendent. Take a look at what he does to supplement his income as a “mouthpiece” for those trying to cover up major screw ups.
I’m not part of the group but I know several people who are. They aren’t particularly crazy and most have lived in GV a long time.
I wouldn’t rely on the local newspaper and so-called reporting to get any information.
Apr 9, 2010, 4:32 pm
From the Guardian’s article and from the comments above it is impossible to decipher who is doing what to whom (and why), or even what the issues are.
EDITOR NOTE– Rod, I agree and I wrote the post!
Apr 9, 2010, 10:52 pm
@GV Resident:
And your point is???? Dr. Tomlin is a part-time superintendent. He can’t supplement his income? And what major screw ups are you insinuating he’s tried to cover up? I bet you have as much evidence to present as your “Fiends of Garden Valley School District.” When they’re asked to present their evidence, they never do it.
Apr 10, 2010, 4:00 am
As a moderately long-time resident of GV — which to my chagrin, due to the antics of portions of the community, I now affectionately call “Hillbilly Holler”, I, too, am with Rod and the Editor, at a loss about who’s doing what to who, and WHY.
But I do have a theory….. It was a fairly “easy” winter up here, and as a result, the usual homicide and divorce rates were down compared to past year’s seasonal springtime emergence from cabin fever. So, somebody had to bear the brunt of all the pent up energy. This year the school, and those trying to do right by it took it in the rear….next mild winter, anyone trying to do a good job at anything, might as well just bend over now.
This, too, will pass. What we need is a good old hard winter — a little winterkill is always good for the gene pool.
Apr 10, 2010, 8:43 am
I am from way out of state and I find this hilarious. The superintendent and his “partner” of a finance officer are the biggest manipulators I have ever met. This article doesn’t get both sides of the story at all and better reporting needs to be done. Who wrote this article anyway? Too scared to show your name? It is probably a combination of Tomlin and Fox themselves… can’t believe he is a communication consultant. The guy could manipulate himself out of a horse’s arse. These two are only in it for eachother, have gotten in way over their head, and for the first time Tomlin doesn’t know how to get himself out of it.
Why would a superintendent go from big time to small time? Ever wonder that? He was fired from his last job maybe? Got into the same kind of trouble down there?
How do you know that the last superintendent demanded he got a check written to him secretly? Hi Paula!
Apr 10, 2010, 9:28 am
Well stated Hillbilly Holler. The other possible outcome of a hard, cold winter would be for the not so friendly “Friends of GV School Dist.” newcomers and California transplants to seek warmer temperatures, hopefully far, far away from here. Poet Paul in the article below this one makes this very point concerning transplants and newcomers.
You’re spot-on gvgal. Why have a fulltime superintendent if it’s not needed. I was not aware of Dr. Tomlin’s side job – by everything on the website, it seems like an appropriate gig to compliment his day job.
Apr 10, 2010, 10:34 am
GV Insider, sounds like you’re close to the issue – big surprise.
GV Gal – Liz, yes he is part time at four days a week which almost every other business would still categorize as full-time. Pretty good part time gig at $80K +.
The point is that he has made a career out of manipulating the media and “spinning” information to his advantage.
I was at a meeting addressing the 10 days the district had to respond to the records request. The question was never answered and the document produced to supposedly prove it was done was not in the time limit. If the district didn’t meet the time limit I would just prefer he come out and say “we blew it”. I could at least respect that.
Apr 10, 2010, 4:11 pm
My limited research – a couple of calls and emails – shows the recall group claims the board and sup are intimidating staff so they quit. Yet only a cook and a dishwasher have quit…does the board spend a bunch of time in the kitchen?
Seems the books balance, kids score well, the new school was built on budget, so what is the problem with that?
Don’t know when they’re up for reaccrediting, but maybe see how they do there before you tear up a whole community.
I am a friend of Public TV, and that means I help and support. I’m not seeing any friendship with this group.
Apr 10, 2010, 7:04 pm
What funny stories these are! Funny how some people feel they have the facts, while others have NO clue what they are talking about. The point of the super being a 4 day a week super, was to impress upon people that he’s THERE 5 days a week, even some times on weekends. We have never been so lucky to have someone like him in our school, people have no idea! The “arm-chair quarterbacks” think they know it all, when 99% of them don’t even WORK at the school…how would they know? Because once in a blue moon they show up for a monthly board meeting makes them pros at judging people? Lord help us all when judgment day comes! Be sure your sins will find you my friends! I think it’s interesting that “out of state” knows so much when they live “out of state”. I also love how people think they know who someone is on here…good guesses…but truly a guess! It’s a battle, and a sad one at that. A community that once was a great place to live, and where you enjoyed the company of everyone, has turned into a horrible place to be. You pass someone on the street, and look the other way, because you don’t want to get into another “have you heard about…
” blah, blah, blah story. I agree..these out of state people who just moved here, or these busy bodies that obviously need more to do with their time, need to just leave the valley! Go back to where you came from. Churches are torn in 2, families have even been changed by the fueds. Get over it. FOGVS…so away…leave us alone, we’re tired of all your help!
Apr 10, 2010, 9:32 pm
Well behaved women never make news
Apr 10, 2010, 11:23 pm
Mother Bear — so what the hey??? The Women want attention, or the KIDS, get your full of your self ass where it belongs, and not off YOU…
Apr 11, 2010, 10:58 am
GV- Middleman. I often see teachers in their classrooms on nights or weekends to do extra work that directly benefits the kids. Do you hear the teachers bringing that up all the time? To have to hear about how the super had to put down a sandwich to meet with a patron like it was a huge sacrifice doesn’t really make anyone feel too sorry for him. Four days a week at $80K+? What do we have to pay for 5? Why the heck does one school of less than 250 kids need a full-time superintendent AND a business manager and an assistant to the manager AND an assistant to the super AND the list goes on?
This excessive administration didn’t start with Tomlin but at least previous administrators also taught.
Leadership or lack thereof is the real issue here. True leaders are able to bring people together, listen and solve problems. This all trickles down to the students and these kids definitely deserve more than what’s happening here. The heart of any small town is the school. Go to a game or any event and you’ll notice less attendance than in years past and less school spirit. Leadership sets the tone – just like any organization or business – you have to start with a vision and communicate that vision to others in the organization.
Rule number one. Tell the truth. Let’s start from there.
Apr 11, 2010, 12:49 pm
I’m with GV resident on this. That’s too much money for a part-time job in a small town. This issue is similar to what happened in Eagle when Mayor Phil Bandy resigned over a questionable dual job situation at taxpayers expense. GV residents and FOGVS need to present clear, concise and accurate arguments–whatever the issues may be–to the School Board first, and if not satisfied, to the State Board of Education. Recall elections are always an option. I would suggest reading Idaho Statutes, Title 33 Education for guidelines on what to do:
http:///www.legislature,idaho.gov/idstat/Title33/T33.htm.
If the School Board or any agent thereof refuses to provide public records, file a Freedom of Information Act.
On the subject of too much pay, I am personally weary of hearing the sacrifices and low pay of Idaho legislators who receive, yes, $16,000 something, but also receive full-time benefits for part-time work, which ordinary mortals are apparently unentitled to, for a total of about $30,000 yearly for three months-give or take a few days or weeks of work. WAAAH! How many Idahoans receive that much for so little time??? That amount would equate to about $90 grand-plus a year for perpetuating problems instead of solving them.(D-minus this year, except for no tax hikes). I am an elected official too, work just hard and longer, and receive absolutely NO PAY. That’s a true PUBLIC SERVANT. See DAILY’s article about Idaho legislator in Parade magazine.
Good luck in Garden Valley; it is a beautiful place as evidenced by travel there and BG’s always superior photos! I’m eager to travel there again and watch plays under the stars. You sound like good folk who just want the best for your kids and towns. Leave the personalities and pettiness out of it; instead take action, solve the problem and embrace the good things that led you to GV in the first place.
All the Best,
KTA
Apr 11, 2010, 1:23 pm
GV school has had a super as long as I’ve lived here. People didn’t like the past ones, I don’t think they’ve EVER liked one, just like they haven’t liked some of the principals. I’m not sure exactly how it works, but I believe we don’t HAVE to have a super, just like we don’t HAVE to have a principal, we get x amount of “money” from the state for administration, and that is the way our school has always chose to go, both a super & a principal. I think they both do a fine job, each one in his own way, so why do one of them have to go? Who’s the pro out there that knows how much time someone spends doing what? The old saying of “you don’t know what someone does until you walk in their shoes” would really apply here. It’s easy to say “what do they do all day”, until you’ve done it. The teachers ,the maintenance, everyone at that school pulls 110%, that’s the way it goes in a small school. We make the best of the situation with what we have. Everything at that school was going along JUST FINE…until someone with a stupid little “friends of the garden valley school” button showed up. It makes me sick to even see the word “Friends” on that button. The recent letter in the IW from one of the FOGVS “leaders” stated that “I will keep doing this as long as the teachers are thanking me for what I’m doing”…what a joke that is. The last time I checked, I believe there are about 24 teachers at that school. I have personally called up a bunch of them to ask what their opinion is, and they have said “I can’t stand her, and wish she’s just go away”. WOW…so just how many are there that thank her? 2…maybe 3 on a good day??? Hardly worth all the fuss. The bigger percentage wish she would just crawl back under the rock she came out of. The school does not NEED help from outside sources….they appear to be doing just fine on their own. Great kids, great environment (except when one of the “friends” shows up at the school)….leave them alone.
Apr 11, 2010, 3:10 pm
Middleman,
If things were going “just fine”, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. I am a huge fan of most of the teachers and staff members at the school including the principal. One needs only to look at the admin staff in other similarly sized districts or larger to see we are top-heavy in that regard. I do have a feeling that the necessary up-coming budget cuts will force a hard look at that – which is too bad because likely some very hard working and good people will lose jobs or have hours cut.
I never said one or the other had to go.
I also don’t agree with either side’s methods of dealing with the issues. I do know defacing property and harassing people’s families and employers isn’t exactly taking the high road on this thing. And I’m not talking about the FOGVSD.
As for Elmore, I really don’t care if she’s recalled or not. I frankly don’t have enough evidence either way to make a decision on that. I have seen her publicly humiliate (my opinion) patrons and colleagues which I’m not a fan of but have no idea if that’s worth recalling her. She votes the way she thinks. I read the recall petition in the paper and if the allegations are true then I guess we have a problem. The voters in her area will decide.
The lesson here could really be for the residents of Garden Valley. Often, candidates for school board have no opposition and voter turnout is always notoriously low (under 100). We ask a lot from these volunteers and it’s always interesting to see new board members go through the learning curve they need to go through before really becoming effective. It’s a difficult and very important job – but the school belongs to the community. It’s our job to make sure our elected officials are representing us.
Apr 11, 2010, 4:35 pm
One last thing. If this super is so bad as some of you think (once again, someone who doesn’t actually work for/with him, but feels they know enough to make that comment)…I have some info. When I read all this I did some research on him. Did you know, that Gov. Otter HIMSELF, The Gov. of Idaho…..has Dr. Tomlin do speaking & seminars at other schools in Idaho, because he’s THAT good???? Now tell me dear folks…if he’s such a bad person, has been fired from other jobs (which is all my research I didn’t find A THING that supported that comment)…then why would he be one of the top speakers at schools, hired by the Gov. of the State? Think about it…do your research before you slam someone. Where did you get your info…The National Enquirer? Was it the same issue that said Elvis was still alive? you saying nonsense things over & over is making you look like a fool. Quit saying things without the proof to back it up. I’m just a poor retired patron up here, but when I heard all this commotion going on, I dug into it, went as deep as you can, and find nothing wrong with this man, or the way the school is being run. Money is good, kids are scoring great on test scores. The recent newsletter talked about the accreditation that the school was just awarded (unlike the comment made in that silly flyer that was mailed out saying that the learning at the school was suffering? Sure doesn’t look like it’s suffering to me! Just the facts people…quit making it personal thing. Quit throwing your fellow neighbors under the bus. Lets get back to the way it should be….let them run the school, and you support them.
Apr 11, 2010, 4:40 pm
GV Resident….the recent flyer that was sent out talked about the “public records papers”. in doing the research that I spoke of, I spoke with someone about this. Seems that the “hold up” would be on the end of the person wanting the public records information. They are in default of over 2000.00 for the papers they wanted. The school supplied them, and the other side never showed up with the money for collecting those. Once again, need to get all the facts before you make such a comment. Sounds like the lawyer is sitting there with the papers waiting to be picked up, and no one is showing up with the money to get them. Why would that be the schools fault?
Apr 11, 2010, 6:25 pm
Middle Man – the initial request was not even responded to in the time frame requested and required by law. The information you are referring to happened many months after the initial request. I was at the open meeting where an e-mail was presented to refute the time-delay charge. It was NOT responded to initially in time and that is a fact that you should check. Personally I don’t care if the time lapsed – what I have some trouble with is that the school can’t seem to just say that. Just say – “we didn’t handle it correctly but we are now”. It’s a trust thing for me.
Apr 11, 2010, 7:45 pm
@ Mother Bear:
It’s MILD MANNERED women never make news.
Apr 11, 2010, 8:12 pm
Hey GV Resident, funny, I have a stack of public record docs, on this issue and the very first one is the written response to the requester within the 10 days per law informing her (per law) that the unusual size and scope of the request cannot be satisfied within that time frame.
Idaho law allows that. It was the first letter – first response from the sup to the requester within 10 days. I am guessing you don’t have a copy of that letter do you?
That is fact that you should check.
Apr 11, 2010, 8:37 pm
Resident….I’m not sure you have those facts straight on the time line. I too, was at the meeting that Dr. Tomlin had regarding the “Connect the Dots” nonsense that the FOGVS group put out. He clearly showed when everything was taken care of, and it fell in that time line. I believe that he said that at a certain point, and it was before the deadline it was all handed over to the lawyers, both the schools and the person requesting the records. He showed numerous emails from the school lawyer to her asking if she was ready for them, or some time of communication. Days & weeks went by without any contact from her. Almost seemed as if she dropped it. At the point the lawyers took charge of it, the school was done with it, the lawyers would handle it. I saw ALL the emails Tomlin showed, and they all supported everything they have said. I believe those letters are public records, and available for anyone to see. Also, one board member would have NO control over how fast anything moves, and anyone who knows boards should know that. Therefore, why would Elmore be the only one taking the blame for that (if it were true). Why aren’t we recalling ALL the board members that were involved…why just her? They make it seem like she was personally standing there blocking the whole thing?? Silly nonsense. once again, there are true facts out there, but people keep believing the rumor mill. The reasons for Elmore’s recall are just silly. Plain & simply silly. Why not recall her because she parts her hair on the left and not the right? That’s how silly they are. These “factual” people need to read the “real” reasons that board members can be recalled, and this is board members for any institution. Public drunkenness, embezzlement, things like that…not the silly ones listed on her recall. Also people being upset for what her husband has said or done. Her husband is not the school board member, SHE is. Why recall her for what her husband has said or done? If the day comes when we have to pay the price for something our spouse has said or done, my wife will be in trouble. Who hasn’t said something stupid and regretted it? But recall someone over it…that’s silly!
Apr 11, 2010, 9:54 pm
Boise Writer – I think that since you have the documents showing the original request from Ms. Keddy-Hecter and the original response you should send it in and let it be printed. I am happy to stand corrected when I am wrong. Again, I am not talking about the subsequent correspondence that took place where it does appear Ms. Keddy-Hecter (sp?) drops the ball.
Middle man – I never said Elmore should be recalled and never insinuated that she was responsible for holding up the records request. I would think that a request for documents would have to go to the district office, not an individual board member. You did see ALL the e-mails CHOSEN to be shown at the meeting.
I decided to respond to this blog when it was forwarded to me because the comments from readers characterized the “friends” as “fiends” and outsiders which I thought was too simple and probably not entirely true. I think the Connect The Dots Piece was nonsense as you say. How many people can really say they are from GV originally? If we want to call outsiders the enemy, aren’t most of us living here transplants from somewhere else – including the super?
Funny that no one has written about WHY the records request from Keddy-Hecter took place in the first place. I AGREE that all of this wastes time and money and most of all takes the focus off of education where it should be.
And as far as Dunn goes, I never personally had anything against her. I have been to many, many board meetings when she was just a member and not the chairman and didn’t see anything remarkable either way – she did fine as far as I could tell. It was clear however when she became chairman that her strength didn’t lie in leadership of this particular board. She tried. Do I think she should have been recalled? I really don’t know – not in my zone but there were a group of people who felt very strongly that a change needed to take place. They did what was within their rights to do. The “friends” did report that the petitioner of that recall tried to pull the petition after Fox told the petitioner she had violated the law (unbeknownst to the petitioner). Rather than do anything intentionally illegal, the attempt to pull the petition was made. At the meeting addressing the Connect the dots piece, Mr. Tomlin said he used a colleague to poll people who signed the petition to make certain the intent to recall was there and that there was no reason to pursue legal action – yet now that matter has been turned over to the prosecuting attorney’s office. How does that calm anything down? There’s plenty of bad behaviour and silliness on both sides.
And thank goodness my spouse isn’t held responsible for anything I say and vice-versa. But some of those spouses and parents of board members and staffers should really think about whether they’re helping or perpetuating the problem. Again, not the fault of the board member or staffer but unfortunate just the same.
When Dr. Tomlin was hired, I for one was hopeful (and still am). I looked at his information and saw the background in strategic planning and organizational developemnt as well as employee relations. We could use all of that right now. Physician heal thyself.
Apr 12, 2010, 9:28 am
Resident…I actually enjoy reading your comments, and think you post some good points. You seem to think clearly, and don’t see to be altered by what you have “heard”, and I appreciate that. I wish more were like that. I will say though, there are still a few things you don’t have your facts straight on. I know that YOU didn’t insinuate that Elmore was the one holding up the records request, but that is one of the reasons listed on the petition for her recall. I believe the exact words are: “deliberately impeded the request for public records for over four months when the legal deadline was ten days”. SHE did not hold anything up. Couldn’t do that if she wanted. It’s a board, not a single person that makes decisions, and regarding this, as I said before, it has been in the hands of the lawyers for weeks, therefore not the board members problem anymore, it’s now a lawyer thing. I’m not sure what the “real” reason is for the public records request, but from what I have heard, and from what I have gotten from the meetings I’ve attended, it seems to be something from the old super, and trying to find some dirt with that. Still trying to get after someone who had something to do with him leaving. Still digging up old bones is what I call it…or a witch hunt….or a big waste of money! In regards to the Dunn recall and the petition. The person who did the petition, and who tried to pull it when they realized there were issues with it, should have investigated this more before they agreed to do it. There is no way in the world that I would sign up for doing something like that, without checking to make sure 100% that it is correct, legal and OK for me to do. I would have all my facts down pat before I agreed. The fact that she agreed to do it, and THEN decided it wasn’t ok is really her own problem. She’s an adult, she needs to think those things through before signing up for it. I think she was taken advantage of. I think someone from friends talked her into doing it, and took advantage of her. Do I think she’s innocent? yes, but she should have checked all the facts before signing her name to something this important. Something that could possibly land her in a legal mess. She knows as well as they do that there are problems with that petition, and that’s making her nervous. I would be nervous too if I were here, but that’s a life lesson learned! I do not agree with the line of “they did what was within their rights to do so”. Although they DO have the right to do a petition and reall it (and I think I talked about this earlier). It’s a violation of MY rights, because when they recall her, whom I may or may not have voted INTO the position, now the BOARD will choose who will fill her spot, I as a voter have nothing to say about it. THAT is not OK. I still feel that if you don’t like her, when it’s time for her to run again, find someone to run against her, or vote against her, or whatever, but don’t recall her.
Apr 12, 2010, 10:36 am
GV Resident, please just walk into the office any day and ask for the records, rather than carry untruths into the blogosphere.
Fact: AK-H had delivered to the district a public records request dated Sept. 1, 2009. The district secretary date-time stamped it received on Sept. 8, 2009.
The District (I) responded by letter to AK-H on Sept. 15, 2009, a two page letter, well within the 10 day limit.
In that letter under the law I advised her that due to the size and scope of her request the District would not be able to service her request within 10 days. The law allows that. I also advised her there would be costs, etc.
My letter to her met the time and standard of law, was acknowledged by her, and we were not out of compliance. Any statements to the contrary are knowingly untrue or ignorantly untrue. Fact. Verifiable. End of story.
Apr 12, 2010, 11:32 am
@Middleman – I do think we agree on far more than we disagree on. The petitioner made a mistake and I’m sure she has learned from it. I can see no benefit in turning the matter over to the prosecutor when the situation was discussed in the open meeting and seemingly settled prior to the election. Yes, she should have done more research and yet she did attempt to withdraw the petition – Dunn may still be in her position if she had been allowed to do that. We have been told that you can’t “un-ring” the bell but if the election or petition were not legal why would we go through with it anyway? I read the election laws on the state website and it seems there isn’t a whole lot of language that addresses this issue. The law doesn’t necessarily allow for this type of thing but it didn’t seem to forbid it either. (Mr. Tomlin – any thoughts here?)
@Michael Tomlin – happy to stand corrected on the response time. I don’t however recall that letter being offered at the meeting (could be wrong). Still think the time involved from start to end was nuts. Yes, yes, I know private information had to be redacted. I’m sure you also wish the timeframe was shorter.
The underlying reason for the records request seems to be in response to the defense of a staffer who supposedly accessed someone else’s e-mail account without permission. It was rumored to have been said that because the school e-mail is essentially public property, then the public has a right to view those e-mails. How ridiculous – first for the staffer if it’s true and second that it comes to this for a patron to prove a point. It’s this sort of tit for tat that gets out of control and before you know it lines are drawn and sides are taken. There just has to be a better way.
This particular blogoshpere has been somewhat refreshing in that people have been able to respond to written articles and have discussions that they wouldn’t be able to have in the open meetings. Everyone can respond, think, ponder, ask questions etc. I’ve learned some things and heard points given from different perspectives than my own. It’s called civil discourse whether it takes place on a blog or in a meeting.
Apr 12, 2010, 12:15 pm
In regards to Michael Tomlin’s last comment. Is Mondays your day off? Your comment was written on Monday at 10:36am. Are you “Blogging” while the Tax payers are paying your salary?
EDITOR NOTE–We posted this comment rather than “censor” it, but this is NOT the type of civil discourse we want on the GUARDIAN. The Super made a legitimate response to an issue concerning GV schools.
Apr 12, 2010, 1:48 pm
Good Afternoon Resident…nice to hear from you again. As far as the petition goes, and the “unrung bell”. I believe by law, once the election had started (which it had with absentee voting), then you can’t stop it, it has to be completed. (I’m not sure of which Idaho Code that is, but I’m sure it’s there somewhere). She should have thought about that BEFORE she filed the petition with the school. As I said, she’s an adult, and once your an adult, you have to responsible for decisions you make, which is why you need to read up on everything and be sure what you are doing is correct. I believe that is why she wanted to pull it, she knew there were things that were not correct, and knew that if it got investigated, she would be in trouble. As I said before, I feel bad for her, but she needs to think about that. The people that should feel bad should be the ones that talked her into doing this for them (since none of them lived in that zone). They took advantage of a nice girl, who was too young to know the difference. Shame on them. Not only is the school filing with Bo. Co prosecutor, but I called Dunn, and she herself has a filing with them as well. It’s not going to be pretty, that’s for sure. When the sheriff comes knocking at some doors here in town, maybe THEN the nonsense will stop. If you dig deep enough, you’ll find that Dunn just happened to be a pawn along the way to get to Tomlin & Fox. They picked on her over the baby situation. In voting for should the baby go or stay, she was the final vote, which said the baby goes. The petition to recall her came RIGHT after that. They were mad because she didn’t let the baby stay (the petitioner, as well as alot of the signers on it have children in either K or 1st grade at the school. All young moms that didn’t know what they were signing). It’s clear that the “friends” don’t like Tomlin, and they will try their best to get to him. What a shame. He’s a great guy who has NOTHING to hide. Will visit with anyone who wants to take the time to talk, show them any paperwork they want to see…he has NOTHING to hide, no one at the school does.
In regards to the public records request. It IS true that any e-mails sent on the schools server (or any public server) are public information. I have not heard about anyone hacking into anyone elses e-mails, I really find that hard to believe, and if that did happen, shame on them. I have tons of e-mails that I send each day, and would NOT want someone going through them, that would be similar to someone breaking into my house and going through my underwear drawer…eeewww! you have that false sense of privacy, and someone reading your emails would just seem wrong. I don’t know what they are looking for, or what their point of it is…..I have a hard time thinking that someone would get that sort of “usable” information on emails. Or at least good enough info to get someone fired or recalled! Once again, people need to look at Idaho Code and see what the “standards” are for recalling someone. I agree that it’s been nice to converse back and forth with people on here, and hope that people have learned some things on here. I have attended board meetings at the school many times, more so in the last few years, and find them rather boring. They mostly have political things to talk about, budgets (which are not interesting to listen to unless you work at the school), updates on things with the new school, things like that. Very boring for the normal citizen. I do check my facts though, and if I hear someone being accused of something, I dig deep into it to see both sides. Just like every story, there are 2 sides. I wish more people would take the time to hear both of them.
Apr 12, 2010, 1:51 pm
Treebranch. Get a life! This is Monday, No it’s not his day off, in fact, it’s the board meeting day, which means he’ll be at the school until about 9:00 tonight…MUCH later than his usual time off. If you want to count hours that he puts in on his “part time” schedule, I think you’ll be embarrassed. I’ve been by the school ANY day, ANY time, and I always find him there…..
Apr 12, 2010, 4:09 pm
Middleman – Thanks. I wasn’t at the meeting where the baby issue came up but I was at a meeting a few years ago when another teacher asked for similar consideration with an infant and was granted that permission. I would have to check the records to be sure but I think Dunn was on the board and agreed to the arrangement. Different time, different agreement, new board members, but probably a little hard to swallow why the previous teacher was allowed and this one wasn’t. Two board members also went to observe the classroom and found no issues. Whatever though – the decision was made and we haven’t heard a peep out of the teacher in question so we should all just move on from that particular issue.
All young moms didn’t know what they were signing? Really? I know some of these young moms and they seem pretty sharp to me.
I also read the law on elections and found no language addressing this specific issue of stopping a recall election- there may be no language that is that specific. Either way you and I can agree to disagree on whether it should go to the prosecutor. I say no since Dr. Tomlin did poll the petitioners, etc. and made the statements at the meeting.
I like your style and your willingness to hear both sides. I try to live that way myself though I am human and as such am subject to making mistakes. It would be interesting to know what you might find if you investigated the story of a staffer accessing e-mails. I did ask at the time and was not given an answer citing employee confidentiality issues. Then again, might be a good time to let it go.
I can COMPLETELY agree with you that generally board meetings could be called “bored” meetings and be just as accurate.
Apr 12, 2010, 4:45 pm
Dr. Tomlin gives so much more to this community than his detractors ever will. He puts in *way* more time than he’s paid for. He advocates for the school locally by attending Chamber of Commerce meetings and being available to meet with patrons whenever they request it. He advocates for the school on a state level by lobbying our legislature. The time and energy that he puts into this “part time” position is unbelievable.
I’ve heard him described by his detractors as arrogant, opinionated, chauvinistic and a Republican.
Arrogant? No. Intelligent, yes!
Opinionated? Who isn’t?
Chauvinistic? I worked with the man for over a year and he never treated me as anything other than an equal (and in some cases, as his boss!)
Republican? Bravo! So am I!
Seems as if his intellect, dedication and abilities are intimidating to some people in the GV community.
Apr 12, 2010, 5:51 pm
GV Resident: Just to clarify, this “baby” issue involved having the teacher asking for an *second* semester of bringing her infant to school. A single semester had been granted in that previous case. Not, as you said, that it really matters anymore!
As for the staffer involved with the request for email records, why not put in your own request for public records re: all public records requests made by Anne Keddy-Hector. I did! And the answer is: Paula Fox! Keddy-Hector is working with others in an attempt to discredit Mrs. Fox and have her removed from her position as business manager for the district. They won’t find anything.
Apr 12, 2010, 8:21 pm
Regarding the baby issue: Mr. Tomlin and Mrs. Dunn continually point to the petitioners as being upset with the decision that was made. The truth of the matter is that there were a lot of people in attendance at that board meeting. What they witnessed was board members being rude to patrons and staff, petty bickering amongst each other and note passing and whispering when folks were addressing the board. As well as unfair treatment to patrons wishing to address the board. While it’s easy to say, “They don’t agree with our decision.” The truth of the matter is that it is the BEHAVIOR of the board that petitioners disagreed with. Also, I think that it’s somewhat misleading to say that the current teacher was granted one semester to bring the child with her. She was born on Sept. 11 (an easy day to remember) and did take, I believe, five weeks off. All of the controversy began in early December, so really we are not talking anywhere near a full semester.
Apr 12, 2010, 8:54 pm
Elizabeth – I wasn’t so interested in what Keddy-Hecter would find. I was more interested in her motive which I know you cannot speak to. Are you saying Paula was the staffer who accessed e-mails of other people without permission? Did I read that wrong? Kind of hope so.
Apr 12, 2010, 10:01 pm
Resident. I didn’t mean to imply that the young mothers were not sharp, I meant that they were young, maybe not exactly sure of what they were signing, but because a couple “other mothers” told them to do it, they jumped on board and did so. They, like the petitioner starter, weren’t really sure what they were even signing. I thought for sure after all the mess from that, when the new petition came around, no one would want to sign it, seeing the legal issues that some are going to be facing. I guess maybe when someone is behind bars people will wake up and realize you can’t slam people like that. Only a few more days until the Elmore election, I’m anxious to see how it goes.
Apr 12, 2010, 10:54 pm
Hey, Resident!
We still don’t know what Keddy-Hector wants. We can only speculate. Paula did not access other people’s emails. That was what Stan Kress accused her of and he even got our IT guy to try to pin that on her, but the IT guy came back and said there was no evidence. Kress knew this, yet did not disclose this to the board and still tried to fire Paula.
Paula was the one who protected tax payers’ money. Whenever Kress would do something a bit “hinky” with school funds, Paula would let board members know about it. This is why Kress’s cronies want to get rid of her. She is a whistleblower. And damn straight she should be! Yet she’s been crucified for the past two years for not only doing her job, but doing it better than most people in her position would!
Resident, it’s a witch hunt. These folks want to get rid of the people that brought Kress “down.”
Apr 12, 2010, 11:41 pm
GV Parent: regarding addressing the board: Open meeting law does *not* require accepting input from the public. That is an option of the BOARD, not the public. This is something that the GV folks misunderstand. Google Open Meeting Law.
Open meeting law requires that all actions outside of executive session be conducted in public. Conversations between members and note passing are not in violation of open meeting law. Have you ever watched a C-SPAN telecast? Whispering, note passing and input from aides…I guess we need to recall all of our elected officials! (Well, yeah, but let’s just vote them out next fall!)
Apr 13, 2010, 8:15 am
When people are upset about what’s happening or have an idea, they really just want to be heard more than anything. I’ve been to board meetings in the past where that has been handled in a way I felt was respectful to patrons while still leading the meeting and not taking too much time. Conversely, I have been to some board meetings in the past year where the entire board seemed very combative and condescending towards patrons which leaves people feeling like they are not taken seriously and yes, disrespected. I know it must get tedious when everyone wants to put their two cents in but we are a small community and as someone pointed out – friends and neighbors too.
Being a board member is a big job – chairman of the board even bigger. There is some finesse required when working with people. Especially people who are passionate about one cause or another. We humans are funny creatures – but it’s the one thing we all have in common. We shouldn’t expect perfection from board members or patrons but we should try to listen to each other. I think we can do that and still comply with open meeting laws.
Apr 13, 2010, 8:28 am
Middleman – thanks. I’m interested in the election too though I have a pretty good idea which way it will go.
If someone is behind bars for this (ridiculous), then it will only perpetuate the divide in the community and do nothing to heal this rift. Don’t really want to hear the “she’s an adult” thing again. We all know that – the school referred this to officials after they said they wouldn’t. Not a step toward reconciliation in my opinion.
The folks who are concerned about legal action should be the writer and publisher of the local paper – just read last week’s edition and you’ll know what I mean. If slamming people were all it took to be behind bars, I guess we’d all be in good company in the pokey.
Apr 13, 2010, 8:55 am
Mrs. Dunn: You have made your point about the open meeting law. My point was simply that meeting got out of control. Unfortunately, it was your job to control it. This is not D.C., it is Garden Valley, and our values dictate that we treat folks with a little respect. I do thank you for your years on the board, but feel that chairperson was really not a position you should have been in. I hope with time, you will find another outlet for your volunteering, the world does need more folks helping and less folks fighting!
Apr 13, 2010, 9:12 am
Well said Elizabeth! I think the whole “whispering and passing notes” is such a joke, however, it is one of the reasons listed for Terry’s recall. Have you ever watched a congress meeting on TV? there is note passing & whispering talking ALL THE TIME! Elmore is the treasurer. People should be thankful that when she has a question on a check or something to do with the financial end of things, she ask the clerk questions. Would they rather she just sit there and sign checks without asking? Talk about not being careful with tax payers money! The board could if the chose, sit up there and eat pizza while the meeting is gone. It is THEIR meeting, which is held in public. period. They don’t HAVE to let anyone in the audience talk. The reason that is such a big deal is because in the past, people have had the chance to be ‘part’ of the meeting. When the new board came along, they did some research on what is “normal”, what other schools do, and that is the new format they came up with. Once again, change something in GV and folks have a cow. Try to be more professional, they complain. Do it lax, and they complain that they aren’t “professional” enough. There’s no pleasing these people…when will others realize that? I totally agree with Dunn on the witch hunt. If you have the free time, dig into the Stan Kress history and see what you find. I think you’ll be surprised. Those that jumped on his band wagon were under an illusion. From what I have observed, Fox does a great job as the clerk, very professional, very through. Spends way more time doing her job than what she gets paid for (her & the super both), but yet because of their job positions here at the school, they are in a fish bowl all the time, people watching every move they make.
Let’s hope after the recall on Thursday, whichever way it may end, that everyone just gets back to normal. I feel for the folks who have lived here longer than I that this town has turned this way. The FOGVS need to leave the school alone, rip those stupid badges off, and get back to your own business. The school is obviously running just fine, except for all the trouble they have caused.
Apr 13, 2010, 10:45 am
GV Resident,
The school did not refer this to officials after we said we would not.
As the legal election entity the District reported the irregularities of the election to the County – including a mistake we made in accepting the petition.
The District has filed no charges, nor has the District made any charges. But there were numerous irregularities reported to us during the election and we simply sent that collection to the County, as is our responsibility.
We would have done the same had the Trustee won the election – failure to do so would have brought charges of “cover-up.” We do not get to pick and choose when we follow the law – we must do it every time.
Apr 13, 2010, 11:21 am
* Correction – didn’t mean to say the ENTIRE board was rude in the earlier post.
Getting back to “normal” will require both sides to calm down, not just the “friends”.
I don’t know all of the members of the FOGVS but I do know some of them and they would argue that the school is just as much their business as anyone elses. I know at least two of those members who have volunteered countless hours, never say no when anything is asked of them and have also contributed their own money to causes when funds are short. I have to think that the people who put this much effort into this cause believe what they are doing is right. I’m not saying they are – just that they believe that they are.
In any battle, there are at least two sides. Somewhere along the way something happened that blew this thing up and now both sides are so committed to their own agendas they can’t see straight – yes, BOTH sides.
I guess I would ask that if anyone from the “friends” is reading this and/or the board and administration – let’s find items we can agree on and work from there. Each of you have to be willing to flex a little bit to be able to put this behind us and move forward.
I know the administration feels they have had meetings and such to address issues – that’s history at this point. Let’s move forward and not enter into the next school year still battling.
Apr 13, 2010, 12:01 pm
Thank you BOISE GUARDIAN for running this article. I know GV is a little north of your usual posts but is has been a good opportunity for folks to speak their mind and work on differences… You provide a great service for many people and deserve the Best National Blog Sammie award!
Apr 13, 2010, 12:05 pm
Good to know MT. Heard about this on KTVB and went back to read the script that went with the news story. It says the district wrote a letter pointing out irregularities after the second recall was announced and the final paragraph says the districts claims are being investigated. I can see the distinction now but I’m sure you can also see that it does look like the district referred this for action. I will do my best to let people know that the district says it would have done the same had the results been different.
Apr 13, 2010, 1:33 pm
I think a mediation would be a great idea. Although I do believe Dr. Tomlin has made several attempts. He had a “question & answer” thing in which he & Mr. Fisher took anonymous questions from the group and answered them. It was great, this was your time you could speak up and say what was on your mind. After about the 200th “Is Cody Fisher going to get fired” question, it got a little old, but still a great effort on the schools part. He also did a Saturday (oh wait, he doesn’t get paid to work on Saturday’s…why was he there working for free…where are the taxpayers) a coffecake chat session in which the newly appointed Board Chair was here and they tried to talk some things over. I think it’s such a black & white issue with both sides, there is no gray in each of their minds. Each of them have their minds made up what they feel and who is wrong. Maybe they need to actually hire an outside mediator to sit in on some sessions. I agree, before the next school year starts things need to be calmed down. When I drive by and see that lovely school, it makes me sad to know what is going on with it.
Apr 13, 2010, 2:55 pm
Quick question – would love an answer from anyone who knows. MT?
Is it normal procedure to report irregularities in elections to the Boise County Prosecutor or do we have an option of reporting it to the Board of Elections where it would seem to make more sense. Just wondering.
EDITOR NOTE–Our experience is that school boards run their own elections with some pretty broad state guidelines. The Idaho Secretary of State is the best source of info and guidance on election issues.
Apr 13, 2010, 3:08 pm
after reading more posts im sitting here wondering why some people wont drop the baby thing. if she wants to take her baby to work get a job at a day care. bottom line is baby’s cry which disrupts class.”i should know i was a student in holly mortimers class” if a student disrupts they are sent to the office so others can still learn. would it be ok if all the students brought there dogs to school. all these issues need to be looked at with a little common sense and they can all be put to a close just as easy
Apr 13, 2010, 4:50 pm
Middleman-
Maybe you should check into the age range of the mothers in the first grade class. They range from late 20’s to mid 50’s. 95% of these mothers asked their children if the baby was distracting in the classroom and the children said NO. If you think we did not talk with one another about it then you are completely wrong. I signed the petition, on my own, without any encouragment from another parent. I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SIGNING! The decision affected my child and those who didn’t have a child in the classroom were quick to judge. Maybe you don’t know the first grade teacher but she is a wonderful teacher who would have made the right decision had the baby been a distraction. I truly hope you check out the facts.
Apr 13, 2010, 4:58 pm
The baby issue is ridiculous, Two of the board members(Pete Wier & Mrs. Koenig) voted to allow the baby to stay with the teacher in her class. This was against the advise of district legal counsel,thier insurance co.and school district policy.let alone common sense.Just because something was done wrong in the past doesn’t mean it has to be done again. Why would these board members want to put all of the tax payers in the district at extra risk on an issue like this? Most parents put thier children in a day care center or stay at home with them.All of this information was discussed at the board meeting the night the baby vote was taken.But some of the board were willing to take the risk and place it on all of us. Where was the principle in this mess? I thought he was the boss of the teachers.Why would he even consider to allow this issue to get as far board?
Apr 13, 2010, 5:44 pm
The first grade teacher didn’t just show up for work one day with her baby. She DID have permission and when ONE person complained – who did not have a child in the classroom by the way- the permission was suddenly taken away. No disclosure of who complained or what the complaint was. That one person must be pretty influential to the board.
Apr 13, 2010, 5:48 pm
Editor – Checked with Sec. of State. The elections board does not reach down to this level for these types of elections – the County Prosecutor is the one who would handle it though there is a question as to who can send a letter in on behalf of the district. Seeking clarification on that in the morning. Thanks.
Apr 13, 2010, 5:53 pm
To Mountainman:
“Where was the principle in this mess? I thought he was the boss of the teachers.”
True, but there’s a conflict of interest. He’s that first-grade teacher’s husband and the baby is his daughter.
Apr 13, 2010, 6:01 pm
As far as the “baby issue” goes GV Resident writes it best, “the decision was made and we haven’t heard a peep out of the teacher in question so we should all just move on from that particular issue.”
Mountainman- I am sure the principal was doing what was best. Staying out of the issue since he is the father of the baby and husband of the teacher.
Lets keep this family out of this mess and allow them to continue to work with our youth.
If you want to know the reasons they are recalling board members ask a “Friend”. Lets not assume that the “baby issue” is the REAL issue here. There seems to be a lot more going on. It seems that the teacher in question is fine with the decision and it needs to be dropped.
Apr 13, 2010, 6:36 pm
Points of information on school district election law. First, it is a hot potato and school districts can never get help or expertise from County Clerks, the AG or Secretary of State – they are pretty much on their own and school law – Idaho Code 33-400ish dictates it.
Elections cost school districts money and Board Clerks by law run them – though Board Clerks are generally unpaid positions attached to an office staffer.
Idaho Election consolidation reform laws will have the County Clerks taking over school elections in 2011 (I’m pretty sure of this), so the Districts will get to break free from the issue.
Apr 13, 2010, 6:39 pm
gv mom have you ever heard a kid complain about a teacher having to leave the room? no because they dont care. and the fact that you said you made the decision based on a 6year old’s oppinion says alot about you. and im not sure what the age range of the mothers has to do with anything.
Apr 13, 2010, 6:43 pm
GV MOM
Do you think that a first grade child would come home and say “hey Mom the baby was distracting me today” give me a break, the issue got too personal due to the fact that the teacher was the principles wife. Nobody thinks that she is not a good teacher, but more people are affected by god forbid a bad thing happening to the baby in the class room then just the few moms and the teachers friends.As always the taxpayer would take the hit $$$. These are the facts! Other people don’t want to pay for bad judgement and others personal gain.I would guarantee you that if all the voters in Boise county were asked if a teacher should be allowed to have her infant in class the vast majority would say NO NO NO. We pay teachers to teach, not baby sit.
Apr 13, 2010, 6:53 pm
GV Mom…trust me, I know the first grade teacher and she is one of the best the school has ever had. However, bringing the baby is NOT an option…period. It doesn’t matter if your the best teacher in the world, a baby is a distraction. You asked the kids…they are 6 & 7 for Pete’s sake…of course they are going to say it’s OK. Go around and ask patrons in the valley what they think about it….they were LIVID. Their tax dollars paying for daycare. What other job do you know where you can take your kid to work with you? Have you ever been to Albertson’s and see the checker with her baby? Ever been to the bank and see the teller with her baby? Ever been in the hospital and had the nurse come in to see you and have her baby? no, it just doesn’t happen. When you choose to have kids, you choose to figure out the daycare issue. When my wife & I had children, it broke her heart to leave the kids in day care, but that’s what you do. You don’t take them to work with you. I have actually read in a letter that was sent out to chosen patrons, that the Fishers were just fine with the decision, and wanted the baby-talk to end. They were thankful for the time that they WERE allowed to bring her. You must realize also, the baby did not stay in the classroom. Numerous times it was told to people that the school secretaries were doing babysitting duty during the day (on taxpayers money that someone above is so concerned about with Dr. Tomlin, funny how it didn’t matter this time)…also the other teachers were taking the baby into their classroom to “watch” it. The poor thing was all over the place. She’s a great baby, and yes, Mrs. Fisher is one of the best, however, she will have to decide on being a full time teacher and putting the baby in daycare or staying home with the baby, it’s the choice that every mom has to make. I believe the school contacted every other school in the area, and EVERY ONE OF THEM said NO WAY! NO BABY! To say, “well, it’s different in GV”…no, it’s not, bottom line, it’s all the same. Do you realize that a parent of a 1st grader could come back and sue the school saying “my kid did not get the proper education because the teacher was too busy with her baby in the classroom”? Wouldn’t that be awful? The school had 2 former staff that were allowed to bring babies, and if you listen to the stories of the students who were in their classrooms (as listed by one above)…it was AWFUL for them. I think you should check YOUR facts and get some names of students who went to school during that time, and get their opinions. Bottom line, is the baby issue is LONG over. However, it IS the reason this whole mess started.
Apr 13, 2010, 8:00 pm
GV Middleman
Good comments, by the way did anybody make the board meeting last night? Dr.Tomlin did an excellent job of showing that the public records request was done correctly by the school district. The “Friends” were again proven to be wrong in their thinking and rumors.
Apr 13, 2010, 8:06 pm
Middleman- It is not the whole reason this started. This mess started in August with the public records request.
Some facts to get straight that were stated at the December board meeting:
1. The baby did stay in the classroom unless the mom had to use the bathroom.
2. The poor thing was not passed all over the place. And this wording makes it sound like the teacher did not act responsibly. The only people who know what happened, worked and did not work are the teacher and the admin.
You are right though, the baby should not have been in the classroom. The baby is out now. I think everyone needs to drop the issue.
“Bottom line, is the baby issue is LONG over.” No more howevers….
Apr 13, 2010, 8:28 pm
Birdog,
This is what the age of the parents is referring to. Maybe you missed it. 🙂
(Taken from Middleman’s post, Apr. 12 @1:48)
They were mad because she didn’t let the baby stay (the petitioner, as well as alot of the signers on it have children in either K or 1st grade at the school. All young moms that didn’t know what they were signing).
On another note, I do not consider listening to my 7 year old daughter a reflection of my character. Listening to your child is something you do as a parent.
Middleman,
I am well aware that the baby issue is over however it was your words (above) that upset me. I am not arguing with you over anything else. There are two sides to every story and your comments in your last post (6:53) are indeed legit. I did not get involved with any other matters with the school board until this issue came up. I trust that the board members who voted against it did so with the best interests of the school at heart.
Apr 13, 2010, 8:48 pm
snowbird i was a student in holly mortimers class when she brought her kids and trust me when i say i cryed pooped and did everything babys do. they were passed from student to student all day. i dont personally know how it worked in this situation but common sense tells me you cant give complete attention to the class under these conditions. and as far as dropping issues i agree and believe all these issues should be dropped and there should be nothing left to talk about except maybe the criminal way the petition way collected
Apr 13, 2010, 8:55 pm
The question that remains about the baby issue is why permission was granted in the first place by the superintendent. The mess happened when the permission was revoked citing an anonymous complaint from a parent of students in “another grade”. So blame the “friends” all you want but they didn’t start it. She also was in the classroom for a VERY short period of time in the morning until she did go with a babysitter for the remainder of the day and the teacher addressed the board saying she knew the days when her daughter slept most of the time were short. She wasn’t asking to continue to bring her child in long-term at all. She followed procedure – she asked permission and was told YES under those conditions. And I do know of another school district where when a very valuable teacher had a baby during the school year, the admisistration went out of their way to accomodate both her and the baby who by the way, was allowed to be at the school for part of the time during the day. It was shortlived but very appreciated by both the parents and the teacher. Again, had permission been denied from the beginning the issue never would have been in front of the board. This is NOT what started the mess with the “friends”.
Apr 13, 2010, 9:10 pm
@Snowbird:
From what I’ve heard, the baby may not be in the classroom anymore but is still in the school, being passed from staffer to staffer during the day. Time for the board to get crackin’ on the issue again, ’cause it’s still a liability and a misuse of taxpayer’s money having school staff babysit the kid.
Apr 13, 2010, 9:23 pm
Absolutely BE DONE with the baby deal….and here is why: GVSD Policy Manual Policy No. 215, “Duties of the Board No. 11. Exclude from school, children not of school age.” Three of the board members voted according to POLICY — two others did not. The informed majority followed the DISTRICT POLICY. Now, let us quit acting like imbeciles and support the board we have in place and get on with doing the best for our children.
Apr 13, 2010, 9:59 pm
gvgal- You for sure have your facts wrong!
The teacher works part time now, only in the afternoons when her child is taken care of by someone who only works in the mornings. So you are saying the school can tell the mom and child to stay out of the school when the mom is not working? Nobody is babysitting the kid at the school. Seriously get your facts straight before you start spreading more rumors. Just what we need!
Apr 13, 2010, 10:02 pm
One last comment to GV Mom about the baby, and then I will drop it. Your fact #1 is wrong. The baby DID NOT spend all it’s time in the classroom with mom. Not until it was brought to the moms attention, THEN she kept it with her. The first few weeks the baby was back with her, I saw her everywhere. I happen to go into the main office one day, only to find the secretary holding the crying baby. I came in a few days later only to see the baby in the principals office (her dad), crying while he was trying to meet with a student. Another day I came in, another staff member in the school office was holding the baby, feeding her a bottle. Is this a huge deal, no, but the fact is, the baby DID NOT stay in the room with mom, and that’s probably where the problem started. I know of a friend who called the school the one day, and when the secretary answered the phone, she was holding..you guessed it..the baby who was crying. I agree..she should have never been allowed there, but beings the super was new at this, and had heard that it had been done before, he agreed to it. Not until he started getting complaints from patrons saying “why are my tax dollars paying for childcare” did it become an issue.
I did not in any way mean to sound like the 1st grade parents are dumb young ladies who signed something they didn’t know. What I meant was that some of them (and I’ve talked to a few to know this first hand) signed it, just to shut one of the moms up who wouldn’t drop it. They signed it just to get her off their backs. One in particular says that she is appalled with herself for doing it, saying she was “forced” into it. There was a petition passed around at the childrens Christmas Concert getting people to sign it, how silly is that. I go there to listen to a wonderful celebration of the season, only to be asked to sign a petition??? I believe there is a rule about not having petitions with 30′ of the school??? I’m not sure on the distance….??? When Elmore called it to administrations attention, that got added to her “recall petition”. She’s trying to keep the school from getting sued for allowing such a thing to happen, and people complained. Anyhow, I won’t go on & on about that, I just wanted you to know that I wasn’t trying to make it sound like the moms were dumb, I just felt that some of them were taken advantage of by older moms “bullying” them into signing things, maybe not you, but trust me there were others that felt that way.
Apr 13, 2010, 10:56 pm
Moving on out of imbecility…..let’s remember that next Monday is the start of National Volunteer Week — and a WONDERFUL opportunity for the Garden Valley community to grab ahold of! This is what I witnessed: Last night, after several hours of preparation, our VOLUNTEER school board went in to a 6+ hour meeting, lasting from 6pm until after midnight. Today, several of the members continued in their effort to find more revenue sources, take patron calls, look at the biomass fuel alternatives, etc., etc., etc., while one is still continuing her fight against recall. They are doing this along with running their normal lives and businesses. How about we all start off fresh next week, and actually THANK them for their volunteer efforts. The way we have all (myself included) been acting, if we were children, instead of “adults”, we SHOULD have landed at a well-deserved place out behind the woodshed!
If we truly want what’s best for the young people of the community, we better take a hard look at the role models we are providing. I think we could all do a little improvement in this area. I would be totally appalled to have any of my children start behaving some of our ill-conceived attempts at acting like adults.
So, here’s my proposal — lets start over. Stop the madness, stop the recalls, use the democratic process, start waving to each other as we used to when we pass by on the road….and next week — as a goal — make National Volunteer Week a meaningful one to our community — let’s start acting like the great neighbors we’ve always (well, “usually”) been! Let the kids see the new “us” — and THANK our volunteers. They are serving the best they know how, putting in many hours — and if someone doesn’t like what they’re doing, give them the courtesy of a pleasantly stated piece of feedback. And, if that still doesn’t satisfy…..do the right thing and run for election to be a VOLUNTEER. I’ve said my piece, so, please give it a shot — I know I will.
Apr 13, 2010, 11:03 pm
Check out all of the lawsuits that Dolores Bedard, one of the leaders of the FOGVSD is involved in. On that link: search Bedard First and all counties to get the full list of all of her lawsuits.
https://www.idcourts.us/repository/partyResults.do
Apr 13, 2010, 11:29 pm
@Hillbilly
Perhaps we should initiate a recall for Weir & Koenig who voted against policy on the baby issue!
Nah, it would be fitting, but the district can’t afford the time, effort and funds for another recall. Funny how the FOGVSD don’t care about that aspect of their antics!
Apr 13, 2010, 11:45 pm
Hate to be the one to tell you, but that baby was not the only one at the school because their parents work there.
And GVgal – Really? Are you at the school every day? Don’t think so becuase it’s not true.
Bird Dog – your comments and not sounding too authentic. You said kids (plural) and I know he was not passed from student to student.
Fine – policy was upheld this time or whatever. Why did Tomlin let it go on in the first place if it was so bad for students. The answer is because it isn’t. My theory – and it IS my opinion – is that it was a particularly uptight board member who made the complaint. Probably worried that the sight of a baby on school grounds might insite teen pregnancy or something. Of course no one actually ever came forward to claim the complaint.
Permission was GRANTED by the school. Then suddenly there was a policy? Whatever.
Apr 13, 2010, 11:55 pm
Elizabeth – in reference to your previous post – are you saying that Stan Kress did “hinky” things with the school district’s money? We know about the deposit but your post says “Whenever Kress would to something “hinky” with school funds, Paula would let the board know about it.”
What do you mean by hinky and how many other incidences were there besides the deposit at Les Bois? Maybe I should send Paula a thank you card.
Apr 14, 2010, 6:27 am
To All
A infant baby should not be allowed to be kept in a public school and passed around to different employees or any employee during the day PERIOD!. These folks are being paid to do their job. If this is going on it should be stopped immediately. A short visit to a school with a infant is one thing but daycare in the school is another. It shouldn’t matter if it is the principles child or not. It puts the taxpayer at a higher risk. I would think that the principle would not allow this to go on especially with it being his wife and having the appearance of a conflict of interest, favoritism and nepotism