Melt Down At Boise’s Idaho Ice World Continues

Plagued by theft, conflict of interest, a midnight Zamboni run to Burger King, the infamous “strip hockey,” and rowdy boys having fun drinking and mooning, Boise’s City-owned Idaho Ice World can now add forcing young boys to disrobe in public to its credit.

When young men were participating in a game of “strip hockey,” at the City-owned Ice World they called it a “team building exercise.” Older teens had to remove an article of clothing each time they missed a shot, leaving some in little more than jock straps to the outrage of the mother of a young girl.

We can’t imagine what they called it when an entire team of 11 to 13-year-old boys was forced to disrobe in the public lobby of the ice rink as punishment for the alleged act of a single juvenile in the shower.

It happened in early November 2011 according to Eric Andresen, whose 13 year old son was among those subjected to the group humiliation because another boy reportedly peed on someone in the shower. That’s about the time the Penn State scandal was making national headlines with Joe Paterno and Jerry Sandusky.

One of Andresen’s major concerns was the city’s claim of abiding by the guidelines of “USA Hockey” which requires all local hockey program affiliates to post a “responsible adult” to monitor locker rooms and supervise conduct in the locker room. He claims they failed their duty and wanted his money back after he and his son decided to withdraw from the program. So far, no response from either the city or the Steelheads on refund of at least $800.

Andresen made his complaint with the city over the behavior of the Peewee AA Junior Steelheads coach–who was also the hockey director at a salary of about $44,000 a year. The GUARDIAN has been informed the hockey director resigned Monday. By our calculations this is the 6th hockey director to leave in the 14 years the city has owned the site.

The GUARDIAN contacted Boise’s Park Department for comment about the incident and other allegations relating to their employee. They said it was “a personnel matter.” While not confirming the incident took place, their silence tells us SOMETHING happened and they don’t want to talk about it.

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  1. Mike Reineck
    Mar 22, 2012, 8:22 pm


    Dragging the Penn State scandal into this and then mistakenily calling it the Joe Paterno scandal wasn’t all that clever, not did it contribute to the story.

    EDITOR NOTE–You make a point. I thought about it and decided for better or worse to make the mention due to the timing and the alleged inappropriate treatment of young boys at a sports locker room setting. This certainly doesn’t rise to the level of Penn State, but it is yet another black eye.

  2. Well its about time someboby payed attention to the taxpayer. There has been a severe conflict of interest in the that building before & since the day I left … glad I did.

  3. 1) Hockey in Boise? How stupid is that.
    2) The traditions in coaching are very old and often perverted, even the Army does not do this kinda weird stuff anymore.
    3) People are going to jail for hazing these days. What does the mayor and police have to say about this.
    4) Let a private owner own the ice rink so it can go broke fair and square.

  4. Are sports and the people coaching and playing them exempt from common sense? The Sandusky mess, the New Orleans Saints bounty on crippling other teams players, the Michael Vick affair with dog fighting, Kobe Bryant and his sexcapades, Tiger Woods and the list goes on and on… We make excuses for these thugs all the time because they are sooooo gooood at what they do.

    Now we have this? What are these people and their parents thinking?

  5. Grumpy ole guy
    Mar 22, 2012, 9:15 pm

    Several thoughts came to mind while reading this. The first is about the American obsession with nudity and under garments. Then I was once again visited by my thoughts of how often humiliation seems to be the chosen method of “teaching” when it comes to children’s sports. Everything from name calling to public scolding to actions such as outlined here speaks to a very, very sorrowful condition in our society. When and how is sportsmanship to be learned and come to be admired when adults are abusing children in this manner? Since these allegations are so frequent at the Ice World facility, perhaps it is time for the City to either get out of the business, or have a more stringent hiring policy for the Directors and Coaches of the activities there.

    School districts have their “resource officers”, do youth sports venues perhaps require some sense of lawfulness, to guard the children from the supposed adults in charge? No, I am not suggesting that the resource officers are in schools to protect children from the administrators or teachers.

  6. sam the sham
    Mar 22, 2012, 10:37 pm

    I agree with your dragging the Penn State scandal into this. We have young men here who are suppose to be learning more than just how to play a sport. They are suppose to be learning good values as well. This “coaching style” is a far cry from teaching values.
    But hey…. some people just want their kids to play sports and win. sigh……

  7. This is just another I-told-you-so moment for libertarians that want to see government-owned business besmirched. I tend to believe that more corruption happens within the context of big-government wasteful spending, because there is an inherent lack of accountability vis a vis large corporate budgets. Small business is beautiful. Sell the thing to a family and watch the business grow.

  8. Hey Paul – Kobe Bryant and Tiger Woods are now thugs because they had extramarital affairs (actually only one in Kobe’s case)? Spouses cheat in as many as half of all relationships, but I’m guessing you wouldn’t consider your neighbor a thug for the same thing. Careful, your racism is showing.

  9. – I’m 100% with the comments that the government shouldn’t be in the sports rink business. For numerous reasons.

    – The Grumpy guy made some awesome points. Thinking WAY back, I remember P.E. basketball in elementary and junior high – the “Shirts” vs. the “Skins.” I HATED when I was on the “Skins.” And I hated the locker room. (By junior high, I woulda LOVED a peek in the girl’s locker room… but I digress…)

    – Maybe some of these organizations could learn something from the Boy Scouts (as currently run). ANY activity or gathering requires TWO-DEEP LEADERSHIP. Two adults who are trained and have been background-checked must be there, or everybody goes home. (The supposition is that if one of the adults is clueless or twisted, another adult will be there to step in.) Maybe it wouldn’t work though, if both adults have taken too many pucks to the head.

  10. Karen Ragland
    Mar 23, 2012, 10:10 am

    It seems bullys have the upper ground in the operations of ice rink. When my son was in a peewee hockey program decades ago a couach threatened to hang him off of the wall. Well, when I found out it told the coach I would hit him so hard they would be scraping him off of the floor for weeks. Parents stand up to the “hired” bullys. Your children need you.

  11. I completely agree with Bikeboy’s comments. And my memories are largely the same. I would like to point out that government involvement in programs like this extends beyond “the sports rink business.” Let’s not forget all the Parks and Rec programs, as well as other entertainment forays–County fair, County wedding venue, baseball subsidy, for example.

  12. Note to Pittman,
    Actually, I may not think of my neighbor as a thug but would question his honesty and integrity to his family and children. I would not revere anyone of any race who would take their marriage vows lightly. “Only one affair”… just the only one documented.

  13. I noticed that you mentioned the name of the hockey parent, but failed to mention the hockey directors name, or for that matter the coach either. I think we have a right to know who was responsible for this.

    EDITOR NOTE–We feel the same way, but the city stands by its “personnel issue” and won’t release anything. Andresen came forth and also gave the GUARDIAN permission to use his name. Watch KTVB, they will run with the story now that we have made it public.

  14. I’m with zippo: 4) Let a private owner own the ice rink so it can go broke fair and square.

    If nobody wants it, convert it to some other use.

  15. This is an absurd witch hunt with outrageous claims by Erick Andreason, who is the president of the Boise Hawks (youth hockey organization), which is a direct competitor of the Steelheads. Surprisingly this reporter failed to understand the whole story or chose not to mention this.

    Children having been changing in the lower lobby of IIW since it first opened years ago and has never been an issue. In fact the majority of ALL players who have ever played youth hockey at IIW have used this area as a changing room. It is disgusting that this story is being twisted into some perverse action.

    EDITOR NOTE–We don’t have a dog in the fight and would be happy to share any facts you (or others) care to present. We did see documentation and corroborated the claims he did make. We also established with independent sources the incident was a “group punishment.”

  16. Peggy Culverwell
    Mar 23, 2012, 5:28 pm

    Thank you hockey dad for speaking up! Dave, it is my knowledge and understanding the Idaho IceWorld didn’t make these kids do anything. This was done by one of the user groups that uses the facility. It was punishment but not to humiliate but to let them know if you don’t respect the locker room you shouldn’t get to use it. As hockey dad says you can go out there any night of the week and find some sort of undress in the back lobby. I believe the “strip hockey” thing was also done without the knowledge of IceWorld and I believe there was some repurcussions on that also. If you are going to tell the story maybe they should here the whole story. What a great facility the city offers, too bad others don’t appreciate as much as the 1000 of people that use it.

    EDITOR NOTE–We agree there was no action or policy of Ice World. The issue as we understand it was the coach was the hockey director AND a coach. Since the city provides locker rooms in conjunction with ice rental, it would seem appropriate they have some sort of supervision to prevent undressing and dressing in the public lobby area.

  17. I know for a fact that Mr. Andresen is not the president or any sort of officer for the Hawk travel program. His son joined the hawk team after he left the Jr. Steelheads AA team as there are no other travel programs. Witchhunt? I am suprised that nobody else complained. If what hockey dad and peggy culverwell write is true about having hockey players in some form of undress at any given time then this just adds fuel to the fire. By the way hockey dad I think you spelled is name wrong.

  18. Having any children undressing in public lacks common sense period. If
    you think having the peewee aa team undress in public here in Idaho
    isnt’t that bad, someone needs to ask that same coach about what
    happened at the fraternity in New Hampshire with the same peewee aa
    jr. steelhead team. This might be the real story.

  19. First of all – Hockey Dad – you are 100% incorrect in your statements. Before stating something you should have some facts. Look at the Hawks Organizations information and you will find that Eric Andresen is not the Hawks President. Rich Shaw is the President and he had nothing to do with the situation that came out about Ice World. There are so many unethical and rotten things that go on at that rink that the management has turned a blind eye to for many years! Many of the parents don’t even know the half of it.

    It is about time this situation has become public – with cell phones having such good cameras now a days I would not want my child dressing in the lobby where many people can see and sickos can take pictures and post them on the internet. It is a USA Hockey rule that all lockers rooms be monitored by an adult/coach especially after other incidents that have occurred over the years. And FACT – It was the Hockey Director who made the kids dress out in the lobby – if that isn’t part of IIW then I don’t know what is. Oh and by the way the Hockey Director is also a coach for one of the travel teams.

    What goes around comes around and it’s about time people know what has been going on at IIW. It isn’t a witch hunt against any organization, only factual information that parents should be aware of for their children.

    If you don’t have facts you should not comment.

  20. Chicago Fan
    Mar 23, 2012, 8:17 pm

    People, the fact is that children were forced to undress DOWN TO THEIR JOCKS in public by an employee & the Hockey Director of Iceworld. Even if Mr. Anderson were the president of a youth hockey team (which he is not) would that make this exploitation of children okay? Simple question folks. Also, having been at iceworld for the last 7 years with my 3 children…..I have NEVER seen kids “in the lobby” wearing nothing but their jocks as was the case at hand.

    EDITOR NOTE–The report we had was “jockey shorts,” rather than jocks–just for clarification. The security video was not kept that far back (we asked for it).

  21. The lack of following the rules is systemic at IIW, especially in the hockey department. Agreements reached with the Idaho Amateur Hockey Association were not kept; USA Hockey rules, such as the lack of locker room monitors are not followed, and coaches for teams do not have the proper training as mandated by USA Hockey. To top it off, the City cant seem to maintain the facility. Broken nets, broken boards, broken supports for the glass, locker rooms in abysmal shape. Maybe the mayor needs to take an hour to tour the facility.

  22. Mark Thompson
    Mar 23, 2012, 11:23 pm

    Yes, some kids do change into their hockey gear in main lobby, but it’s always Mites age kids (8 and under) and a lot of times that’s because mom needs to help getting them dressed and doesn’t want to go into the lockerroom (even though no one has a problem with moms in locker rooms at that age.)

  23. Sports Momma
    Mar 23, 2012, 11:24 pm

    Any parent with a son in a sports program knows that the boys will dress and undress anywhere, that’s just how boys are. They are comfortable with their coaches and teammates. Not a big deal. The issue should be if the boys and coaches were playing “strip hockey”. I am sure the boys had a fun time and didn’t feel disrespected or humiliated, however like some others have posted, where is the common sense? As a wife of a coach, I know they don’t always do the right thing and let their emotions get the best of them a lot of the time, still doesn’t make it right and should always play on the side of caution.

  24. Lets see the Zamboni incident-it happend over 5 years ago and the people who took it out to Buger King were fired. The strip hockey was done by mostly 19/20 year olds -players who play jr hockey which has nothing to do with the junior steelheads oraganization.I know the junior team is called the Idaho Junior Steelheads and the travel organization is the Junior Steelheads but they are not connected, I guess they ran out of names for a hockey team in Boise. Thank goodness we have the Hawks because I do not know what we would do with 3 organization with the same name. Just call them adults becuse most were playing junior hockey away from home whose coach had left the building, and because they are adults there does not need to be a coach in the locker room. It also happend over 2 years ago. It was also just one player who was in his jock strap- I dont condone it but get the facts strait. The mooning happened from the the same junior team and was one of the European players who had mooned a fellow player in the hallway outside the locker rooms where the public hardly goes- a worker had seen him and reported it. How absurd that a 19 year old would moon another 20 year old Really —a college age male mooning some one how unheard of. In both cases there were repercusions and in the mooning incident the team lost their ice for the rest of the season. As for the drinking in the locker rooms there is a no alcohol policy and it is the adults who play in the adult hockey league and adults who make their own choices. Usually the workers are teenagers and female and they are not going to go into the all male locker rooms to monitor adults. Again being nit picky but I think the ages of the boys were 13/14 if you are going to do a story please get the facts strait. This is a poorly written article. I do think there are some problems, and probably more than most know about but that is what makes this article so disapointinly bad- poor facts and bad information. Also most rinks are run by cities or counties but since we dont have many in Idaho I can see why most people would not know that. As an aside the Idaho Junior Steelheads are playing for the WSHL Championship in Texas at the end of March.-they did not have any mooning/strip hockey problems this season.

  25. saywatchawant
    Mar 24, 2012, 1:46 am

    just an FYI. I worked at IIW for a long time. like the hockey dad said. everyone changes out in the lobby. most the time because they don’t want to be in the locker rooms because let’s face it. most those kids are little sh**s. ive seen teams have to change out there for getting in trouble because they weren’t mature enough to handle the locker room privacy/privileges. so why is this one single incident being so blown out of proportion and twisted in such ways?

  26. So which one of you “COMMENTATORS” are stepping forward to help coach? Seems to me there are a heck of a lot of “arm chair” coaches…offer your enthusiasm to help fix the problem. Be a part of the solution!

  27. IDirshbiker
    Mar 24, 2012, 7:29 am

    Are you sure this isn’t supervised by R Catholic priests???

  28. Got to Love Hockey
    Mar 24, 2012, 7:29 am

    They must be doing something right or the over 1000 people in the programs wouldn’t keep coming back. Those that have never seen kids dressing down in the lobby obviously arent’ out there very often. You don’t see anymore in a state of undress than you do on a everyday basis. If the parents had an issue with this it should have been brought up at the time. The hockey director has resigned as was the result Andreson was looking for, now how about offering some construsctive input and become part of a solution to make the rink all you would like it to be. If you play hockey and have been around to many rinks you should know that it could be alot worse it isn’t all about hockey. The kids learning to skate don’t complain and have issues. My kids love it out there.
    The Hockey director wss able to separate his job, to bad the people can’t seem to do the same. Liz, maybe hockey dad said Andreson was president because that was going to be the case until Mr. Shaw decided to stay on probably because of the mess that Mr. Andreson has helped to create.

  29. Zippo and Peggy C. got it right. How was the city to know that people using the facility lacked common sense? Hockey for kids is a dangerous undertaking as in the case of a Twin Cities teen who is paralyzed for life as the result of aggressive play on the ice. Too bad it took five months before this Boise incident was made public. I don’t think this is comparable to the Penn State sexual abuse.

  30. Hockey Lover
    Mar 24, 2012, 9:44 am

    Got to Love Hockey you are way off base. Hockey numbers have declined since the recently departed HD took over in 2008. This would be both adult and youth leagues.
    IIW management is a mess. Zero to no management skills at all. Yes the just resigned HD was a great ambassador for hockey here in the valley but lacked management/marketing/business skills.

    There was a huge conflict of interest with the HD running a city rec league and also coaching for one of the two travel programs in the area, the Jr Steelheads. The other program, the Hawks, continually struggled to get equal recognition as the Jr. Steelheads. The Hawks were created originally to give parents another option for travel/club hockey here in the valley. Also, to avoid group humiliation like what is mentioned in the article. Ultimately the head coach is responsible. Both Jr. Steelhead and Hawks coaches coach in the city rec league but there were also complaints of harassment by Jr Steelhead coaches toward Hawks players in the city league. Of course those complaints went to the Hockey Director’s office and died.

    Yes, I frequent IIW often for youth hockey and there is a good number of youths changing out in the lobby which should be frowned upon. But again management skills lead to this continuing. It is getting around the state that there is something definitely wrong going on at IIW. All other areas of the state have flourishing programs and in the biggest city of the state the numbers are down.

    Mr Shaw is the current President of the Hawks and tenure ends at the end of the season. Mr Andresen has yet to be voted in as president. Regardless of this, if my son was urinated on in a locker of any sort I would do the same as Mr Andresen and take it all the way to the media and law enforcement to hold somebody responsible.

  31. HOCKEY FANS vs. BLAHBLAHBLAH-ers…drop the puck…my kids play all the sports and they have to “undress” to then “dress” for the next sport…GET OVER YOURSELVES and go skate on Family Night – maybe a fight will break out at center ice.

  32. Based on what I’ve read here, I’d say bravo to Mr. Andresen for protecting his son. I would hope Boise city leaders who are PARENTS would take action to ensure the safety and dignity of all children at Ice World and other public venues. Please give the refund, enforce the locker room only rule for disrobing, and thoroughly screen those who run the youth and other programs. These are the right and prudent things to do.


  33. Hockey Grandma
    Mar 24, 2012, 4:17 pm

    I also have no dog in the fight, but know there has been lots of problems. We have many awesome, committed coaches at all levels and for all organizations at Ice World. What we need is the City to hire someone as hockey director who is committed to growing youth hockey throughout the valley. Handing out info at the schools, running affordable introduction clinics, etc. Let’s get the focus back to the kids. Thanks to the coaches who have selfishly devoted so much time to date.

  34. Hockey 4 Life
    Mar 24, 2012, 11:17 pm

    @hockey Lover…”hockey numbers have deslined since 2008″ While I would have to disagree with that statement based on the fact that the squirt divisions consisted of 6 teams, one should also take into account the fact we have been in a pretty nasty recession since 2008 which would have an adverse affect on participation.
    Hockey Grandma…IIW has offered try hockey for free clinics, spring break hockey camps for about 100 bucks, and various other opportunities to play hockey.

  35. Hockey 4 Life
    Mar 24, 2012, 11:22 pm

    @Mark Thompson…that is incorrect that it is only mites age 8u that change in the lobby. I have seen kids from the squirt, peewee, and bantam level changing in the lobby. It should also be noted that a hockey jock is basically the same style and material that many use in other sports like running and bicycling (the tight pants/shorts) only their is a section for the protective cup.

  36. Hockey 4 Life
    Mar 24, 2012, 11:28 pm

    “Fraternity in NH…rumors…one would assume that with the amount of kids that have cell phones and Ipods with cameras in them, that if the rumors were true about NH, that at some point those events would have made their way to social websites like FaceBook.

  37. Hockey 4 Life
    Mar 24, 2012, 11:38 pm

    @Zippo…Why is Hockey in Boise stupid? Their are teams from Boise that have not only participated in some pretty tough tournaments across the country, but have done very well in those tournaments. There are a lot of skilled hockey players in this area who deserve the opportunity to play the sport they have a passion for.

  38. Hockey 4 Life
    Mar 25, 2012, 12:13 am

    @Hockey Lover with regards to urinating. Just a few years ago, one player from the Hawks urinated on one of his team mates gloves. To my knowledge this player was never penalized for his actions. If the Hawks want more recongnition, maybe they should start with challenging themselves more by playing in higher level tournaments vs. always playing in B level tournaments. The Jr. Steelheads is a bigger program as it carries two teams per division from Squirt to Bantam and sometimes Midgets, where the Hawks will typically carry one team per division. The Jr. Steelheads might also get more recognition as they are the ones hosting Boise tournaments every year.
    In addition, just a few years ago during hawks tryouts, an incident occured where a younger player was in the locker room with peewee players and heard inappropriate comments because there was not any adult supervision. When the player’s parent come into the room, they were not pleased with the conversation.
    I am not posting this to bash one program or the other. However, I feel that folks need to understand that stupid things happen in both programs. If my son had been pee’d on, I would have spoken with the other childs parents first, then address the issue with the coaches, then present the incident to the organizations Board of Dirctors. I would not go after someones job because of it. With regards to changing in the lobby issue, I have been at hockey events in other states that did not have enough locker rooms and as a results, teams had to get dressed and undressed in the hallways, and lobbies.

  39. @Hockey for Life. Let’s just cut the crap and get to the point. The hockey director was Jeremy Mylymok, ex Steelhead player. And he was also the coach of the Jr. Steelhead team that is in question here. But this is not about the two organizations, but about what he did with his authority that comes into play. You need to keep the organizations out of the equation and focus on what happened in the big picture. I feel that the next director to come in should have no affiliation with either league, and just run the rink like it should be.

  40. @H4L:

    Because the interest level is so low the city has to subsidize even the professional team as well as the amateur ice rink and local kiddie teams. It’s not a school sport because of the near zero interest. I’d like to see my public funds spent on important things and ideas that will yield a net gain for my community and society at large. We are a community on a tight budget and hockey should be very very low on the list.

    I suggest we completely remove government from the professional and amateur sports business, and then you will see clearly how stupid hockey is in Boise. It has also become a liability for the city.

  41. I have read and reread the article several times. I have questions. The forum posters seen to have drifted off topic and make the facts presented in the story fit an agenda. Lets look at the facts as presented and then ask the following questions.

    1)Why did the hockey director resign? Was it in lieu of termination?

    2)What process did Andresen follow in his complaint?

    3)Why wasn’t the locker room policy followed by the HD?

    4)Why has 5 months elapsed since the incident with nothing being said until now?

    5) What is the city’s stance on this issue? They must have something to say after this long.

    As an investigator I must look at the facts presented and not assume anything. The story is about forcing boys to undress in public at Idaho Ice World, not some other facility in another state. I personally don’t care what happens at other facilities. I care what happens at the one I pay taxes to subsidize. The story doesn’t speak of any trip to New Hampshire. Maybe the parents that went on this trip with the team can dispell such rumors. The story doesn’t seem to mention the hawks anywhere so it has no place here. As an investigator I find it very curious as to why 5 months has elapsed. One can only assume that Andresen followed some process. What that process is we don’t know but can surmise that something has been followed in 5 months. At no point does the author state that Andresen has “gone after his job”. Does hockey for life have “facts” they wish to share?

    I think it is a sad state of affairs all the way around. No one wins. Andresen gets crucied for sticking up for his son and the HD has resigned. It’s not about these two anyway. It’s about the kids.

    EDITOR NOTE–Outsider, we would like the same answers and figured the first step would be to give Andresen a public forum–something the legacy media has refused. Also other parents have been ignored, based on documents we have seen.

  42. 1 question…. why is anyone changing in the lobby…. the parents of these kids need to have their heads examined for allowing that.

  43. Not Taking Sides
    Mar 25, 2012, 2:22 pm

    Thank you to Hockey 4 Life for saying things best. This has gotten way out of hand and in spite of what has happened a good man has lost his job, his family has lost a source of income. I am sure both programs have things to offer and that is the good thing that there is a choice. I hope things improve and we can move on from here. Got to love hockey was not so far off base when it was quoted that there is over 1000 people, it was never said they were all hockey people. I am sure if you asked the city they could probably tell you.

  44. Adding information that insinuates what happened at IIW to what happened at Penn State is irresponsible, and is disrespectful to the victims at Penn State. What happened at IIW may not have been the best adult response to juvenile hijinks, but it is not the horror of Penn State.
    Also, the City has not owned IIW for 14 years. It’s been much less than that – surely less than 10. The facility was “gifted” to the City by Mr. Simplot as part of a larger transaction. While the City’s management isn’t perfect, from a business perspective there are much tighter business controls now than when it was under private ownership.

    EDITOR NOTE–We won’t quibble over the length of ownership. Perhaps the correct statement is the facility is 14 years old. We have never alleged the horror of Penn State, but like Penn State it involves young boys, locker rooms, showers, lack of adult supervision in the locker room, and a publicly-owned facility that ignored repeated complaints from parents. The incident also happened at about the same timeline as well. Hopefully we won’t see a “Penn State.”

  45. Boise is wack
    Mar 25, 2012, 8:09 pm

    (offensive name deleted)If you actually check, IIW is pretty much self sufficient…meaning it doesn’t actually cost the tax payers much money. And if the city get’s out of professional and amateur sports completely that means no municipal golf courses, no swimming pools….which by the way you’ll see way more cheeks at then IIW, no baseball fields, no lacrosse, no Green Belt, no Ridges to Rivers…the list goes on and on…

    Oh, and by the way…only 500,000 people a year go to IIW.

    Ultimately, the responibility of parenting kids lies with the parents…and that obviously isn’t being done anymore.

    And Dave…great “journalism.” Seems anyone with a website and opinion can write one side of a story.

    EDITOR NOTE–We will offer you a voice anytime you wish to speak, but no more name calling please.

  46. Boise is wack
    Mar 25, 2012, 8:24 pm

    Sorry Dave.

  47. @Biw: I know what all that costs, I see it on the tax bills. I cost too much. Yes we could do without most of those low interest sports you mention and hire a few more math and science teachers. The freshman washout rate for college is very high in Idaho because of all the sports experts graduating high school.

    BTW: The government will step out eventually because they will get sued over something like this. Just like they have in larger metro cities, but a large group of people who have difficulty with math will allow them to keep the same tax rates with the permissible maximum raise each year. It’s for the kids after all you know!

  48. Hockey 4 Life
    Mar 25, 2012, 9:37 pm

    @Zippo…it is not a santioned school sport because the schools would then have to add another girls sport.
    @Outsider…players get changed in the lobby all the time at IIW. I am pretty sure if the kids were actually forced to get naked in the lobby there would have been a lot parents pulling their kids from the rink and going home versus allowing their children to continue playing on the team all the rest of the season.
    The story also addresses incidents that are not connected to the situation that Mr. Andresen is upset about. So if we asking to keep the topic focused on the real issue then the person that wrote the article should have kept to that and not brings up like the Zamboni issue that occured over 5 years ago.

  49. Boise is wack
    Mar 25, 2012, 10:24 pm

    @Zippo…I highly doubt the freshman dropout rate for college in Idaho could be attributed too participation in high school sports. Show me the correlation.

  50. Mylymok, the hockey director is gone. He “resigned”. It’s about time. Now, maybe they can hire an outside director with integrity and no conflicts of interest…

  51. Can someone please explain what or where the conflict of interest is or was? The Hockey Director doesn’t schedule the ice, he doesn’t make up the game schedules, he uses other coaches input to select teams, he doesn’t fix the games, he doesn’t control the money. As long as he isn’t on the clock when doing Jr. Steelhead stuff where is the conflict?

    EDITOR NOTE–One last attempt at an analogy. How about a school principal who is an after hours volunteer coach of his son’s team? Teachers who are employed by the coach will think twice about grades for the kid, other staff will defer to the coach if he holds their jobs in his hands, his budget decisions for sports will have less scrutiny than that of a gym teacher for instance. Hope that makes sense. Not a crime, just a conflict.

  52. Boise MadDog
    Mar 26, 2012, 7:30 pm

    @Maybe Not – the Hockey Director sure does make the schedules. If not making them he has direct influence & finally approves them. The conflict is an obvious ethical one with ties to private business in the community the City must remain neutral and in this instance Mr. Mylymok could hardly pass that test simply becuase of his past & present professional affiliations. Although a great embassador for the sport, the City made a horrible choice in offering him the position on a paid permanant basis. Now maybe the City can move forward and take care of the kids – which I think is Parks & Recs charter. By the way, isn’t there a GM at the rink overseeing the daily operations as well? I’m just saying.

  53. @ Boise Maddog, I was being serious in asking because I really don’t understand and even if he does make the schedule what does that conflict with? It is my understanding that the GM would oversee the daily operations but what does that have to do with anything? In what way did the Director not remain neutral?

    EDITOR NOTE–You are mixing a general ethics in government issue with minute details about hockey. Your view is right in line with the city and its ethics commission. Our ethics story was saying, “folks just don’t get it.” Perhaps there are no ethics issues and the guy should have stayed put and not resigned.

  54. @Editor = thank you for trying to help me understand but the Hockey director didn’t have any paid employees or had anything to hold or anyone, he probably doesn’t even have any real control over any budget stuff. Sorry, I guess I am just not getting it. Thanks anyway.

  55. Hockey 4 Life
    Mar 26, 2012, 9:48 pm

    Uh NEWS FLASH….He has not officially resigned. Way to go IIW posting BS announcements before they are official. There was no conflict of interest. After the 2008 season, he did not coach any one particular team. He did get on the ice for the house practices and help all teams. It should be noted that the 2008 complaints were submitted by people from the same organization that submitted complaints this time (plus a few from the Jr. Steelheads). If Andresen wanted his $800 back, I am not sure why he would expect the City of Boise to give it to him since it was a Jr. Steelheads issue not a City of Boise issue. Did he present his issue to the Jr. Steelheads Board Of Directors?

    I would also like to know why names of youth players were put into the complaint without the childs or their parents knowledge. Considering that the youth are under age, it would seem unethical to use their name in a complaint without the consent of the parents.

    Congratulations to those few that filed the complaints. IIW will more than likely be loosing the best HD they have had. He has spent so much time working with the kids on the ice. He just about knows every youth hockey player by name. Can other sports programs say that about their Directors? He has spent more hours than most can imagine only to get stabbed in the back. The previous HD’s have been MIA most of the time. His possible departure will be sad for the majority that actually did appreciate what he has done at IIW over the years.

  56. If nothing else, it sounds like the city has an extra $44,000 to spend on something else since nobody can say what the hockey director does anyway. Perhaps he should have made some rules about where to undress.

    Editor, do you think $44,000 is enough to study the trolley some more?

  57. Hockey 4 Life
    Mar 26, 2012, 11:18 pm

    @Zippo…since you are also following the other story on the Guardian with regads to ehtics, you know that some of the HD’s duties have been listed. However, since the Guardian is such an indepth and completely unbiased media machine, perhaps they can do some actual work and find out for themselves what the duties are for the HD.

  58. Not Taking Sides
    Mar 27, 2012, 6:57 am

    It may appear that the Hockey Director has an indirect personal beneficial interest as his wife works for the Junior Steelheads and he serves as a coach for them. However, the Junior Steelheads rent ice time and are thus paying the City. Further, the scheduling of ice time is not controlled by the Hockey Director, but rather controlled by the General Manager and Office Manager at IceWorld. All involvement by the employee with the Junior Steelheads is either work-related or on a volunteer basis, whereby he receives no salary or reimbursement for his expenses and has agreed that his volunteering will not interfere with his duties as Hockey Director. Therefore, the employee’s indirect personal beneficial interest is remote. Further, the employment relationship with the Hockey Director is in the best interest of the City. The employee has extensive hockey knowledge and his performance has been characterized as outstanding. The Ethics Commission hereby determines that the employee’s behavior is in conformance with this section of the Code of Ethics.

  59. @Hockey 4 life must be in the know or related to the HD. Stick to the facts. What complaint do you speak of? Why are you defending the HD if he hasn’t resigned. Seems to me that if he hasn’t resigned the “best hockey director” should be back at his desk.

  60. Hockey 4 Life
    Mar 27, 2012, 8:04 am

    @Lurker…I am defending because IIW announced his resignation when he has not officially resigned. Mr. Andresen and the others that filed the complaints know what I am talking about. I happen to know one of the families who’s name was used in the report without their permission or knowledge untl after the complaints were filed. Yet the review board did not bother interviewing them about any of the issues that were addressed using their name without their permission.
    The HD has also been handling this situation very professionally by not bashing those that have filed the complaints.
    I am not related to the HD. I just appreciate all that he has done for youth hockey in Idaho. I say the City Of Boise should put it to a vote for all the hockey patrons of IIW whether the HD should resign or not.

  61. Hockey 4 Life
    Mar 27, 2012, 8:08 am

    @ Not Taking Sides…The HD’s wife does not work for the BYAHA Jr Steelheads. She is not paid by the organization. Many years ago she may have been, but has not been for some time. Within the BYAHA, she simply a hockey mom enjoying her kids play hockey. I agree with the rest of your comments.

  62. Not Taking Sides
    Mar 27, 2012, 9:24 am

    @HOckey 4 Life, I know that his wife is not now part of the organization I just wanted to put the Ethics findings out there when HD was hired by the city. I too am aware of the complaint that you are referring to and had also heard that parent was not very happy. Thank you all your comments and whether people realize it or not have provided them with more facts than they choose to believe. I too hope that no matter what happens at IceWorld we will not lose a great coach.

  63. My opinion is the IIW hockey group is a very cliquish bunch. There are the Hawks, the Steelheads and the rec league folks. Whatever the problem was that created two travel teams in such a small market permeates the attitudes of the parents and kids. I love watching my kid play hockey. I love cheering for his team. If IIW gets a new hockey director, they need to follow and enforce rules, foster a hockey community encompassing all and COMMUNICATE. I’m thinking if the parents knew the kids were abusing the locker room and were told they lost that privilege for a week, it would be fine.

  64. Hockey 4 Life
    Mar 27, 2012, 4:57 pm

    @My two cents, I would have to both agree and disagree about the groups. A lot of the families from both organizations are good folks and get along with each other. Unfortunately, the ones that do not from either group can ruined a lot of things. I would also have to include both groups in the Rec league group as the majority of the travel players from both groups also play house.

  65. It seems to me this whole thing is being blown a little out of porportion. We are talking about young adult boys here. They will do just about any stupid thing to make themselves look good in front of their peers. Let it go and move on. There are worse things to worry about in the world other than changing or stripping in a lobby. My son has played hockey for years and there were always players changing in the lobby. I agree that parents should be responsible for their kids and I also agree that the locker rooms probably should be monitored but like I said, boys will be boys. Too bad someone had to lose their job over this trivial incident.

  66. So the HD allegedly made the boys change outside the locker room to their jockey shorts, really, this is nothing all of us that have been involved in hockey have not seen before. We are not all pedifiles but I agree that we need to be careful in this day and age because you never know. If I were you, I would thank the kid that decided he needed to pee on someone else to get some attention.

  67. Hockey 4 Life
    Mar 28, 2012, 12:44 pm

    I do have one more thought on this issue. If this peeing incident occured in the showers, who is expected to observe the boys while they are showering? I only ask because if an adult watching his underage players shower, I am guessing that would not go over too well with anyone and would more than likely make nationals news. I for one would not put myself in a situation that could be viewed as preying on kids.

  68. @Hockey 4 Life, if your lips get any tighter on the hd’s butt, you could probably tell us what he had for lunch. And he has resigned, it was made public.

  69. Hockey 4 Life
    Mar 29, 2012, 12:07 am

    @A Fan…ha ha nice take! However, I am still curious as to who everyone thinks should be assigned to watch the adolescent boys take showers in the locker room to mske sure there are no more peeing incidents. If this was the incident that lead to the boys loosing locker room priviledges, thus leading to the “resignation” of the HD, then I would like to know what the protocol is for the future HD so they don’t get in trouble for a similar incident. The resignation announcement was sent out prematurely. He has not officially resigned. IIW was not suppose to announce anything yet.

  70. sounds like hockey 4 life IS the vaunted HD

  71. Hockey 4 Life
    Mar 29, 2012, 1:06 pm

    @stfu…ah you caught me! Do you happen to have any ideas about the shower issue yet? Anyone…Anyone?
    Dislaimer: I am not the HD.

  72. and I’m not @stfu…. heres an idea…ban hockey… just teaches kids to fight

  73. Let em shower at home. Healthier feet that way too, and a lower hot water bill for the city.

  74. No Bias Here
    Mar 30, 2012, 8:56 am

    Hockey 4 Life sounds like you are in bed with the since resigned HD or a relative, wife or the HD himself. Either one your comments are Bias and one sided. It is apparent a complaint was made months ago and nothing was done which is why it is coming out now. I have nothing to gain or lose here just a frustrated tax payer.

    As for the hockey numbers in Boise, my sons used to play hockey and prior to the just resigned HD there were at least 10 teams in the squirt division and I believe 12 mite teams with 12-15 players on each team. A bit of research shows that teams this year were mite/squirt, squirt/pee wee and no bantams (all combined age groups and not dedicated like in the past). I have a relative in the Idaho Falls area and they have over 100 players in their mite program this past season. How many does Boise have? Recession??? Just another excuse for the HD to be out of the office to golf or fish. From my understanding Idaho Falls makes it cost effective for young players to play and markets their program in the community. Shows by their numbers. My children have never received any marketing material from the City of Boise regarding the hockey program…used to but not for years.

    Bottom line is that a lot of people were unhappy with the since departed hockey director, no just the youth programs. Reading your posts Hockey 4 Life sounds like you are a Junior Steelhead parent. Since you are very dedicated to protecting him.

  75. Hockey 4 Life
    Mar 30, 2012, 11:45 am

    I am biased by stating that their are good folks in both programs? I am a Jr. Steelhead parent. I also have friends that participate in the Hawks program. Both programs serve a good purpose (outside of the stupid politics between the two). By the time most kids hit the bantam division, they are starting play high school hockey or they have moved onto other sports. Loosing kids at the bantam level is one of the reason USA Hockey introduced the ADM in hopes of getting more kids to stick with hockey and make it a life long activity for them. I am in support of Jeremy because I appreciate what he does. I will not gain anything whether he remains the HD at IIW or does in fact resign. I have never been IF’s rink, but I bet the location does not hurt it like IIW’s location does.

  76. Allegations against Hockey Director:

    I have a child who skates for the Steelheads team that has come into question and am disgusted with the irresponsibility of this blog. Firing off an article on your blog without getting statements from both sides shows a lack of integrity. My kid has never been “forced” (as Mr. Andresen said) to undress in the IIW lobby. There were some discipline issues with the kids in our locker room and a message was sent to the players. If you don’t respect the locker room then that privilege will be lost.

    No one was told to get dressed/undressed in the lobby area. Mr. Andresen has a personal agenda against the Jr. Steelheads program as a whole and if this story was true why did he wait 5/6 months to make his false claim?? Whether it’s listed on the Hawks web site or not Mr. Andresen has been telling people that he is the new Hawks President. Seems to me that this is more about this angry man trying to get back his money, which he was obligated to pay, when he joined the Jr. Steelheads program. When he was told he would not be getting his money back he then decided to try to cast our program in a negative light. He ended up leaving the program as a disgruntled parent and as the new Hawks President has chose to personally attack anyone who has crossed his path. It seems to me that a witch hunt has transpired out at IIW and this will be a step backwards for youth hockey.

    Many players have benefitted since the arrival of our Hockey Director and our players have taken huge steps forward because of the programs such as the Jr. Steelheads and the over haul of our recreational programs. Shame on you for posting this article and making it look as if this is the reason he has left IIW. There are hundreds of supporters of our hockey programs who are very upset about what has transpired and the City of Boise has heard from the majority. The kids respect and love everything that he has done for youth hockey and he has treated everyone fairly no matter what program they have skated for! Unfortunately in today’s society the squeaky wheel (minority) gets the oil and the masses are the ones who end up suffering.

    EDITOR NOTE–We are shackled by the city’s claims of a “personnel matter” which they refuse to comment upon. Seems the line between coach and hockey director is kind of blurry. Resignation seems unexplained if the HD has so much support and respect of the vast majority of parents. We post these issues so folks can have a forum to get it all out in the open. City is not at all helpful many times, leading to bad blood on both sides.

  77. Not Taking Sides
    Mar 30, 2012, 3:16 pm

    The fact is that this is a Jr. Steelhead issue and should not have become a city issue. Mr. Andreson should and I believe did take his complaint to the Jr. Steelhead board. The fact that Mr. Mylymok was/is the HD should not have entered into this complaint. I also have heard that Mr. Andreson received a refund of his money back in Nov.

    To bad the employees of the city don’t have the support of the HR dept. and have to prove their innocence against any allegations made against them. Wasn’t it the ethics committees finding that it was okay for HD to coach his kids in the Jr. Steelhead program?

  78. Not Taking Sides
    Mar 30, 2012, 4:27 pm

    @Editor I have heard that most of those wanting and willing to show their support have chosen to do so to the city vs the guardian.

  79. Whoever wrote this is article is quite as ignorant as the person who complained to him.

    There are lot’s of truth’s but more half truth’s that to took place, than has taken place. Prior to this article has the reporter ever spent time IIW or any other ice rink for that matter. I doubt it because you are pretty clueless.

    These kid’s werent running around butt naked as you imply, they weren’t running around in just jocks and jill-pads. They were in short’s, stinger’s etc. These kids have more on than some of the figure skater’s that dress in the lobby and they aren’t indecent.

    To compare what took place to the Junior Team playing “Strip Hockey” and Zamboni escapede in the middle of night is ludicrous.

    What this whole thing is about is an unhappy parent seeking some kind of revenge. And it is irresponsable Journalisium like this is what is wrong.

  80. @Not taking sides- Ethics committee said he couldn’t take payment or reimbursements. He did both.

    EDITOR NOTE–We saw the 2008 opinion and it did not mention “reimbursements” as we recall. We have seen evidence of reimbursements, but not payment from the team or league.

  81. Not Taking Sides
    Mar 31, 2012, 11:02 pm

    @WTF – I never said he didn’t take reimbursements. On March 27th I posted the exact wording that the Ethics committe had given in their opinion. He did not however get paid for coaching.

  82. Clearly we need better Media controls.

  83. Hockey 4 Life
    Apr 1, 2012, 9:46 am

    The Jr Steelheads Bantam AA just won the National Championship today!!!
    Why don’t you do a story about that?

    EDITOR NOTE–We can certainly offer a congratulations on that!

  84. hmmm…

    seems like he BS is way out of control..having a new mite player this year i have had the opportunity to hear a lot of stories/rumors or what ever you may chose to call them while at the rink..
    i have heard parents telling about how the house coaches both at peewee and squirt level had verbally berated their child..i have heard stories about a peewee hockey trip to NH where the kids went to a frat and saw strip beer pong and some other sad things… i have heard some other pretty sorted stories that make me wonder if they do any sort of back ground checking on these “great” coaches…I also heard the stories about the Andreson thing..i do know that he did tal;k to Mr Mylymok first..and got the brush off, i also know that he did ask for his money back but was charged for trips he and his son didn’t go to..hang around the pizza place for a bit and you will learn a lot..
    The standing joke there is that you have a better chance at seeing Big Foot than either hockey was funny but i didn’t ever see any of them there so maybe some truth..
    With the things that i heard i would have ot say that even if they are only 50% true.. the parents should have said something and not let the child be used ..what kind of parent allows thier child to be abused ..they should all grow a spine.

  85. Eric Andresen
    Apr 1, 2012, 8:36 pm

    I have watched this mockery develop and would like to set the record straight. My complaint to the city of Boise is available for all to see should they so desire. Should anyone have questions they are more than welcome to ask me any time they see me at the arena.

    To say that I was the one who was instrumental in the removal of Mylymok should check their facts. I did indeed file a complaint with the city regarding the undressing in the IIW lobby. I personally feel that such actions by any coach wether it be the Jr. Steelheads or a hockey director is unquestionabley absurd. For the record I did approach Mylymok and the Steelheads. Their answer was “we’ve taken care of the problem”. They may have taken care of the problem by their own definition by not by mine. I won’t tolerate anything even remotely similiar. I complained to the city regarding the response that I got. What happened after that is between Mylymok and the city. You can bash me all you want but know this, I stood up for what I feel is right and just. Can you say the same? I am not the only dad that is upset by the actions but I am the only dad that will stick up for his son in this case. That is my job in life.

    Hockey 4 life needs to say who they are. We already know. I will never apologize for sticking up for what I feel is right. So many posts have put words in my mouth and distorted the facts. The facts are free for the looking at the city of Boise. Go look for yourself .

    I am not the president of the Hawks. I don’t believe I’ve ever been involved with them other than as a parent. My son joined their organization after we quit the steelheads due to the undressing in public incident. Yes, it was punishment for another player urinating on someone in the locker room. Yes, USA Hockey’s locker room policy was not followed and finally, Yes I followed all procedures.

    Now all the trolls can bash me. I’ve got a set and stuck up for the truth. If you don’t like it, I don’t CARE!

  86. Not Taking Sides
    Apr 1, 2012, 10:05 pm

    @ Andreson- So are you saying this complaint process has taken 5 months to come to a conclusion. Didn’t this “undress” incident take place in Nov? Guess we know what your opionin must be of the parents that didn’t share the same objections. Maybe you can apply for the job and make all the changes so the hockey program can be just like Minnesota.

    EDITOR NOTE–To one and all. Please keep it civil and don’t use the forum to pick fights. Express any opinion you wish, but don’t come to conclusions and speculation about one another.

  87. Not Taking Sides
    Apr 1, 2012, 10:10 pm

    @WOW – I know for a fact that the asst. hockey director is there alot more than people think she is. I wonder how many people have walked by her and not even realized that is who she is. Have you asked to speak to her and was told that she is isn’t there, the same for goes for the hockey director. Is there some reason people feel they should be there all the time? Careful what you believe, the story will change depending on who you are listening. Hope your little mite player loves the game and doesn’t have to be part of this kind of drama.

  88. It's obvious who you are
    Apr 1, 2012, 10:49 pm

    Mr. Andresen, we all know you did not JUST go to the city regarding the “urinating” incident. You had way more unfounded allegations you “came up with” to complain about and you know it. The citys complaint records were also public. Not to mention you can also thank your friend (NAME DELETED) for that one because she opened her big mouth to her friends. (or should I say to those she has LEFT.) And to poster “wow”, we all know you dont have a mite in this program and you know exactly who you are. So you both can spew this in any direction you wish, but this message board REAKS of you and _______ and all of your assumed names. Get a life!

  89. Mr. Anderson and Mrs. (DELETED) are two very angry and sad people to have went after this man. The only thing he has ever done is teach and love these kids for years. He has been a friend, a mentor and a role model for our youth. Shame on the both of you for what you have done to this family. Perhaps Mr. Anderson has forgotten about the countless hours Mr. Mylymok has spent on the ice with his son teaching him all of his vast knowledge in the sport of hockey! Look up Mr. Anderson the next time you are at CenturyLink Arena ..and you will see his name proudly hanging on a banner in the rafters. I guess they dont just retire ANYBODYS numbers now do they? Oh wait, yeah I guess they only do it for a player who has been an instrumental player in the game of hockey and possess’s leadership qualities both on AND off the ice isnt that correct? Oh brother, just like ‘Obvious’ said above, please DO get a life.

  90. Eric Andresen:

    You did the right thing for your son. There is more to life than sports and winning. If it helps, I tell my son that the only opinion of me that matters at this point in my life is his.

    To all else:

    As parents, we have a duty to teach our children right from wrong. It is not OK to urinate on someone. It is not OK to disrobe in public view at a public venue.

    As a former middle school substitute teacher, I can tell you that kids that age are testing the limits. During my tenure in the schools, I had a fire extinguisher lobbed at me, had my foot stomped on, endured an assault from spitwads and staples, and was insulted to no end. If I could not gain control of the classroom, I called for backup from an assistant principal or the school resource officer. Mr. Andresen did the same by bumping up his complaint. Punitary actions were from administrators. Good luck to the players on the junior hockey teams. May they triumph on the ice and in life.



  91. Jeremy stay strong through this horrible mess and know that you have and always will be a great mentor to our son.

  92. Diane Sower
    Apr 6, 2012, 11:40 am

    What are all the other parents saying about this incident? And why were these kids so intimidated that they simply did not walk off, call their folks, and go home? There’s something amiss here, and it’s not just the hockey coach.

  93. crazy hockey mom
    Apr 6, 2012, 3:09 pm

    As a parent of a player on that team I am here to set the record straight. NO players were intimidated whatsoever. Nobody needed to walk off because the team (sans one player) understood the message the coaches were trying to get across “if you cant behave like mature young men in the locker room, you lose that privilege for the day”. Period. Done. None of us parents (sans one of them) had any problem with it at all. Actually, we commended the coaches for implementing their policy for that day. As a matter of fact I was right there and boys were all giggling and joking around about it in the lobby. So lets not make this into some kind of a big issue, PLEASE!

  94. The HD’s son is on the team..and the asst coach’s son..(the urinater) they may not have had any problem with it as the offender wasn’t punished..everyone else was.

  95. Hockey 4 Life
    Apr 6, 2012, 4:52 pm

    @ Andresen…If “we” already know how “I am” then why would I need to announce my name to this site. I sincerely doubt you know who I am since we have never met. If you do know who I am based on this site, I would question the integrity of the Editor whom I assume would be the only one that would have access to what my email address and have the ability to pass onto you to determine who I am. At this point, I really doubt the Editor would have stooped that low.

    EDITOR NOTE–Thanks for the vote of confidence. I am too old and fat to stoop. Besides, I don’t give up names or addresses, no matter who asks.

  96. Hockey 4 Life
    Apr 6, 2012, 7:34 pm

    @ Editor…Nice response.

  97. Diane Sower
    Apr 6, 2012, 8:49 pm

    So, it’s apparently okay with all the parents that the boys disrobe in front of the coaches.

  98. Hockey 4 Life
    Apr 6, 2012, 10:29 pm

    @ Diane…they were not naked. I guarantee you that there is more skin shown on any given day at Roaring Springs when they are open. Hockey jocks are the equivalent of bicycle shorts only with a cup. Perhaps the YMCA should cancel their swim program because there are boys walking around in Speedos that tend to be very small and cover much less skin than hockey jocks.

  99. Not Taking Sides
    Apr 7, 2012, 7:08 am

    @ Diane – It is not at all like it has been made out to be. I was there on that day and did not see ANYTHING inappropriate. Please come out on a hockey evening and you will see what I mean. Most kids wear shorts, under armor or come dressed to the rink. These are good parents and only one seemed to have the issue with it. These are good parents and they would not have let it happen if they had an issue.

  100. crazy hockey mom
    Apr 7, 2012, 2:31 pm

    For the record, there were two “urinators”. One the Asst. Coaches kid and the other not. Both were disciplined in the same manner as the other. No favortism. The entire team (including HD’s son) all lost their locker room privelage for the day because nobody came clean as to who did the urinating until after the fact.

  101. Diane Sower
    Apr 8, 2012, 11:03 am

    Hopefully only the truth will come out concerning the young hockey players. I question the situation since the hockey coach has quit his position. Why would he do that if everything was hunky dory?

  102. Not Taking Sides
    Apr 8, 2012, 5:56 pm

    @ Diane -The hockey director/coach didn’t quit because he wanted to. He loved his job and he loved the kids. The city put stipulations on him that were different from anyone else in the city regarding his coaching the travel team and it is said he violated the agreement. I don’t believe his resignation was related to kids changing in the back lobby. I wish people would chose to question the city has to why those stipulations were put on one coach and not the other.

    EDITOR NOTE–People do ask, only to be told “Its a personnel matter.”

  103. Not Taking Sides
    Apr 8, 2012, 7:28 pm

    Thanks Dave, but I don’t understand why they can get away with just stating it is a “personnel matter” when they aren’t treating both directors the same. Very frustrating!Do you know if there is any written agreement for the skating director as there was for the hockey director and his involvement with the travel team?

    EDITOR NOTE–You might try asking for a public records request. I have pretty much worn out my welcome in that area. We get nothing be delays, refile request with a single word removed to get at a time frame, expensive cost estimates, etc. Public records have become a screen to hide behind for local government and a convenient way to hide or delay release of information. All the controversy ended up on the GUARDIAN because folks couldn’t get answers to their questions directly.

  104. loving mother
    Apr 8, 2012, 9:04 pm

    Diane, did you have a player on that team? I didn’t think so. Are you saying you are who you really are in that post? I didn’t think so. There is no reason to question any “truth” because the “truth” remains with us, the parents. Also this is a JR STEELHEADS situation and not one for the City. None what-so-ever. If people want to point any fingers in that matter, then perhaps they should take that up with the Jr. Steelheads Hockey Director. (I know he had a son on that team as well so don’t you think if this was in way inappropriate that maybe he would have spoke up? No, he did not. The only ones anybody hears from are those two insecure parents who are continually a problem for the rest of us. Unfortunately they are both two unhappy individuals who are miserable in their own lives. (if anyone is in any way curious as to who those two people are, you may make a written request of the document through the City of Boise’s HR Complaint Department. Anyway I have heard that the city HD quit because he just had enough of all the BS and questions from the City, his employer. And did anyone ever stop to think that maybe the HD had another job possibility that arose? Well, that’s the word on the street anyhow.

  105. Diane Sower
    Apr 9, 2012, 8:13 am

    One mother emailed me to tell me none of this happened, and the fault was with others who had axes to grind. If just one mother thinks everything is fine, where are all the other mothers who surely think everything is fine at the rink?

  106. Hockey 4 Life
    Apr 9, 2012, 11:37 am

    @ Loving Mother….He would certainly be better off since he was always damned if did and damned if he didn’t. I hope that he does have a better job offer and hopefully one that will keep him and his family here. There are still A LOT of players and families that would hate to see them move.
    @ Diane…Knowing how protective most parents are of their kids, wouldn’t you think that if the event was as bad as some have led people to believe it was, that a lot of mothers would have pulled their kids off the team that day and not allowed them to play for that orginization and team the rest of the season and beyond?

  107. loving mother
    Apr 9, 2012, 12:18 pm

    (Name Deleted), do get a life. You know that no other mother on that team backs you and your accusations up. You are a lonely soal.

  108. Diane Sower
    Apr 9, 2012, 1:56 pm

    Ivan, so, your kids play strip games in all their sports activities? We should get over this? I’m older here, 59, but I still called foul when my kids had to strip and show the P.E. teachers how wet they were after showering. Same thing when I was in school. We should have all been in Catholic school.

    EDITOR NOTE–Too much nasty. This is the last word.

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