We need Dynamis Energy for our community to have clean air, water, and soil. We are risking jobs here people just so Dave case can have a nice sound bite when he runs for reelection. I think we need to send Dave case packing back to New York where he can finally get a decent haircut from Donald trumps Barber.

The trash burner is still at the science project stage of development. I think it’s a great idea which needs further development before it is safe for practical use. It has recieved money from a few communities which were loose with their money (and perhaps misled) but the lack of large corporate money from GE and Siemens indicates further development is not practical with today’s technology.

Why burn anything unnecessarily? Landfill land is not a problem around here for well over the next 100 years. The question I would ask anyone with this kind of stupid idea is where is the benefit for anyone but the developers?

I hope Dynamis just goes away even if we lose $2MM due to the lack of due diligence from our Commissioners. They can be dealt with at the next election and the lost money is the price of the lessons learned in this mess.

What does public schools and nutjobs have to do with discussion about Dynamis? This disscusion should keep on track about the dirty air that Dynamis will put out.

Zippo and others. Please research waste to energy before you post about it. The technology has been around for years. What are you worried about exactly? The emmissions that come for the stack are the same as if it were a coal plant or a natural gas plant. Joki, the EPA highly regulates all emmissions from “chimneys”. Exactly what pollutants do you object to. Please be specific. Trash burners have been around for years and the technology is as state of the art as you can get. How many have you been in? I personally have worked at 2 and toured 4 others. The have the same requirements every other power plant has. You will be begging for cheap power in 2015 as Obama’s EPA shuts down all coal. Trash is an alternative and a viable one at that. Do you even know how one operates. The largest waste to energy corporation has a plant in Spokane. Take a tour and then report back. The posts opposing the plant reek of fear mongering. But then again, don’t let the facts get in the way of your “feelings”.

I wonder if doresearch and his opinions are the result of unfiltered cigarette smoke rather than the extra dioxin one would be exposed to while working in one of these plants. There is a simple reason these plants haven’t been built in U.S. for many years. They cost too much. As first proposed Dynamis was not going to put any pollution control equipment in. Acceptable controls would cost upwards of $15 million. Spokane and New York plants charge as much as 4 times as much to dispose of their garbage thru one of these plants. Reread Landfill user’s comments. He has a good explanation

doresearch–Many of the answers you claim to be asking for are contained in testimony before the Ada County Planning and Zoning Commission a few weeks ago. Much of the rest cam be found on the DEQ website. Simply file a freedom of information request and your education will start. Have a Merry Christmas

chicago sam and Zippo,
I don’t “claim” to be asking questions to the planning and zoning board. I am actually(not claiming to ask) asking YOU as you two seem to be experts. Do you agreee chicago sam that a new plant was built on the east coast this last year? It is true and this makes you a fool as you don’t know anyting about the subject that you are ridiculing!

Zippo, it aint Obama whois getting rid of coal. It is the EPA regualtions. You sir are WRONG about the combustion of trash. Tires are not allowed! NG and O2 do not need to be injected. GE does not build these plants and neither does Siemens. You tell me that it is an insignicant source of energy and I will assume you mean “power to the grid”. How many megawatts do you consider not significant?

I asked you two bozos questions to see if you knew the answers to the questions and you do not! You claim to have the answers yet don’t even know the basics.

Let me ask again. Do you chicago sam or Zippo know how a waste to energy facility works? Yes or no. Don’t give me one of you lame answers by stating that I can find this info out by asking blah blah. If you read my original post you will see that I have operated 2 of these plants. I have a total of 7 years in operations of these plants. This makes me an expert.

MODERATOR NOTE–I will allow this comment and a reply, but no name calling. Dosresarch is out of line for “BOZO” comment and risks “timeout” at this holiday season. Forceful dialog, but no names please!

The trash burner proposed for Ada was originally to burn tires plus trash in effort to bring the trash up to useful energy load. Lots of crud produced when trash and tires burn so this was bad PR and the county said “no tires” earlier this year. Some of the residual crud can be turned into useful product, some hauled away to hazmat dump, some goes up in smoke and invisible gasses.

The proposed Ada trash plant was to have Name Plate power of 20MW when not down for cleanings. That’s about the same as 3 of the largest wind turbines. The new NG plant built recently west of Boise (caused a bump on our power bills) is Name Plated for 300 to 330 MW, with expandable capacity as technology improves (additional core units are also often added when growth needed). It is used as a Peak Power plant, thus not used as efficiently as it would be if fired up all the time and taking full advantage of secondary heat recovery systems like most newer Base Power NG and coal plants. This new NG plant is based on a single huge gas turbine engine, very much the same as a aircraft engine. It takes only a handful of people to run it and is very very clean. 300-330MW is fairly small as far as grid power plants go.

I will attach a few general links which you can read to understand some of the things you inquire about. My primary reasons for opposing this plant are:

1) We have terrible air quality due to geographic features and this will add to the problem.
2) The county should not be a bank for new ideas/businesses.
2a) I am also apposed to Boise using public money to build a baseball stadium for a private business. I’m not apposed to any business which can make it’s own way without direct or indirect government aid. This of course puts me in opposition to nearly any corporate welfare/farmer-rancher welfare/minimum wage/etc. Exceptions to this for me are public works and utilities where one premium system of roads/power grids/communication grids/water pipelines etc. is better than attempting to have competing and redundant systems of such large expense for these core services. However, even in these core service areas, some competition seems to keep rates lower. (I thank god everyday that the government does not run the grocery stores like they tried to do in the USSR as the more they have encroached into the fine details in recent years the more my costs have gone up.)
3) There were efforts to keep the public away from the trash burner approval process with the commish basically telling the public to go blow when cornered by good questions.
4) Power produced was to be bought for much higher than the going rate (forced on IP by silly green power law) and would result in higher electric bills.
5) Higher trash collection fees?
6) Lots of other stuff which does not pass the gut check because so many very smart people are saying whoa this is not adding up.
7) Had the trash burner folk set up their business on a private land with private money and were not worsening our pollution problems, I’d have no issue with it. There are still too many questions in this area, and using the commish to stiff arm the public is not helping them.
8) Bozo was a business that made money without government help and without harming the environment. Thank you for the complement!

There are fuel gasifiers available on the market, but they are not being snapped up because there are so few situations were they have an advantage over other processes. I think advances in technology will change this eventually, but conducting R&D is not what I pay Ada county for.

http://spokanewastetoenergy.com/WastetoEnergy.htm

http://www.idahopower.com/AboutUs/EnergySources/OurPowerPlants/default.cfm

http://www.energy.siemens.com/br/en/power-generation/fuel-gasifier/

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/413606/converting-garbage-into-fuel/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_station

Zippo, I am going to have to correct you on several items. The new NG plant in New Plymouth is not “peaker”. By itself it is not expandable with “core units”. To quote you, “It is used as a Peak Power plant, thus not used as efficiently as it would be if fired up all the time and taking full advantage of secondary heat recovery systems like most newer Base Power NG and coal plants.” Completely incorrect. It has a state of the art HRSG (heat recovery steam generator) that is a boiler just like the base load coal plants. Only much more efficient. The gas turbine provides 200 MW and the steam turbine provides approx. 100 MW.

Trash rates in Spokane? Yes these are from WM but it fails to say why these rates are what they are. They are not “4” times higher as stated in earlier posts.

I want to know what the “questions” are in the area of trash burning. The recent construction of the waste to energy facility on the east coast(Baltimore) follows the same emmision guidelines as the new power plant west of Boise. This is not new technology. It is actually very refined. This goes back to my original question that neither sam or Zippo have answered. Do either one of you know how one works and what the pollution controls are.

“Gut” feelings are fine but they are trumped by facts. I am not argueing about the funding or the price paid for the MW’s produced by one. I am merely correcting your inaccuracies. They are not a science project, they are not built by GE or Siemens, they are numerous nationwide, one was just commisssioned near Baltimore, NG and O2 are not injected, the “chimney” emmissions are the same as coal.

I am not sure what your comment on gassification is about. Please enlighten me.

To reiterate, I am not agueing public funding or electric rates. I am trying to dispell rumors about waste to energy with facts. To argue that public funding shouldn’t be used and that it will increase rates by stating the process is a “science project” and other such inaccuracies is wrong in my opinion. Wheelabrator in Spokane offers tours upon request and I would assume the new plant west of Boise would offer similiar.

I only ask that before you write about the evils of waste to energy or how a combined cycle power plant (in New Plymouth)please have accurate facts. I can say with certainty that what you have written regarding both is highly inaccurate.

It looks like Zippo is avoiding answering any questions to me. doresearch isn’t splitting hairs at all….he is making a point. I have read and reread Mr. Zippo’s post and he tends to ignore the questions asked to him. I have used the web to look at what zippo and doresearch say…I’ll side with doresearch on facts alone.