I second the Guardian’s motion! Widely publicize the dates and times.

It’s a wonderful, low-tech method of demonstrating to the peasants that their concerns are unwarranted – if that’s the truth. Or alternatively, maybe it will make the bigwigs see the light. (Hear the sound?) As much as they might want to believe the noise will only affect the dolts who are dumb enough to live “near the airport,” the truth MAY be that jet-fighter noise will affect even the affluent folks who live across the tracks.

A STEALTH jet that makes too much NOISE…go figure lol

Welcome to “NOISY BOISE”

Note that the supposedly non-fake internet news sources in Boise no longer have comment sections, which, of course, could spoil the supposed F35 love fest.
The sound of freedom now includes a large black boot crushing the throat of anyone who challenges the Oligarchs shady plans.

Totally agree with the Boise Guardian.

There has been ZERO effort to communicate honestly with the citizens of Boise nor have a mechanism in place to work for common solutions everyone can live with.

If there is no other choice (highly doubtful) but to have F-35 (or F-16) jets in Boise, there are better options available to accommodate them than what is currently being proposed.

Above all the citizens of Boise need to be heard, not ignored.

There was supposed to be 4 finalists.
So I wonder how they came up with 5?
Do they expect 20% funding increase from Trump?
Notice Gowen is the only finalist on the West coast, so it is a guaranteed finalist.
Boise City Council has just approved a new development in the 600 acres southwest of the airport, where most of the flight tracks take place.
Meaning they knew of these news released today, only much before the public.

It’s ridiculous that this is even having to be debated- these planes are not suitable for use in residential areas, period! Do a couple of demonstrations- let people REALLY understand what the purported “sound of freedom” really sounds like. Hearts and minds will change in a biiiiig hurry. >:o(

If you really want to create hovac ask the people in charge to do an environmental justice analysis…breaking down the assessed impacts to find out if there is a disproportionate impact (i.e. noise and economic impacts) on low income, minority and other similar types of populations in the vicinity of the where the F-35 jets are to be stationed.

Ask them if they considered other alternatives for comparison purposes including an air force base just 35 liner miles away.

Just some food for thought anyways.

For over a year the F-35 has been promoted to Boise in meetings, proposals, studies, presentations and press releases all intended to assure us that any minor inconvenience due to operational sound levels will be more than offset by the economic benefit resulting from the mission. That effort has failed to convince hundreds of people whom still strongly oppose brining the F-35 to Boise. At this point any action other than a real-life demo can only be taken as evasion. DO THE DEMO!!!

I add my support to the Guardian’s challenge for experiencing first hand what the actual sound would be with the the date publicized so that officials and citizens together witness it. It certainly would clarify what is being proposed and would lay down a basis for arguments. It is also essential that meetings be publicized between our elected officials and the air force representatives. The media and citizens need access to these meetings. We need transparency and sunshine on meetings and negotiations that so profoundly affect quality of life in our community.

As Democratic Party Precinct Committeeperson for Ada 1818 that has many residences in the flight path (and more being approved off Columbia Village in the future I’m sure), I would like this to happen as well. Perhaps this is something our legislative district central committee and legislators need to get involved in as well. Thoughts are spinning. Thank you for the continued coverage of this issue.

the sounds of the F-35 is less than the sound of cash register clings in the ears of the Boise Mayor and City Council.

All for supporting the military, Mountain home is a great location, welcome the F-35 to Idaho, in Mt Home. If the mayor is so convinced Mountain Home sucks so bad no F-35 worker will want to live there, then he should give Mountain home some free advice on how to be the second most livable city in America.

Government is a criminal organization, at all levels, from city councils, clear up to the top of the Federal Government. The corporate media news (the real fake news) is their tool to manufacture consent among the majority.
If the good folks of Boise don’t make an end run around this collaborative criminal organization, you will surely be tormented day and night by F35 jets.
I’d suggest a permanent protest on the overpass on Vista that crosses i84. Hang banners over each side and hold signs saying NO F35’s! NO F15’s!
You need to make your voices heard, and these carefully orchestrated “meetings” and the incurious corporate media are not going to help you, or change anything.

I’ve sat through a couple presentations by the city on this and they blatantly lied.

I moved into the area expecting passenger jets and A10s. No problem. The rare F15/F16 causes pain and suffering but it didn’t happen often. Now the F35 is coming into a large city despite having double the noise pollution of an F15 and flying FAR more frequently. Yet Mountain Home – a couple minutes flight away and designed for fighter jets – is ignored.

This is beyond stupid.

I’m very much a patriot. I served. But this doesn’t protect us. It doesn’t help anyone except for politicians and the rich – who won’t live in the affected area. This is worse than Flint Michigan – at least they can solve their issue with a water filter. Where’s our sound filter?

I have to say it.

Boo Fracken Hoo.

Nasty comments this time around. Truthfullness, you are on a roll. Bad government, bad bad government.

I fully support the Guardian’s request to demonstrate the noise impact of the F-35. Any demonstration should include standard downwind-base-final landing approach protocols for BOTH runways (10 Left and 10 Right & 28 Left and 28 Right = compass designations of both runways). We need to hear this thing OVER homes on the northern landing approaches. The southern approach will be less noisy, but let’s hear it anyway. We also need to hear it during a “unlimited takeoff” where occasionally, pilots are allowed to indulge themselves in a steep angle takeoff with high throttle position that we sometimes hear. I have witnessed F-15s and F-16s ascend in near vertical attitudes, with massive noise emissions that thunder over the entire Bench and southern regions. And, we should especially demand that it fly at about 500-1000 feet over the Northend so they can hear it, too.

It’s only fair.

Thanks for speaking up David and kudos to everyone else on this thread for your thoughtful comments. A demonstration is an excellent idea and so is pushing this project to Mtn. Home. They would love it. As someone who lives “on the other side of the tracks” I can tell you we already hear the airport every morning, starting at about 5 am. And the jets at Gowen, we hear those too. The silence when flights were grounded after 9-11 only underscored how much noise and white noise the airport emits on a regular basis. I have to ask. How organized is the opposition. Where is the Vista neighborhood association? Have you considered partnering with the Mtn. Home chamber and pushing the relocation issue? If you really aren’t being heard, have you considered taking hiz honor to task via letters in the Statesman, or better yet, drag his sorry butt into court?

Mountain home Airforce base should be the first on the list as the possible location for the F35 wing.
The existing airforce base already is in an area that will have minimum impact to the civilian population and property. The airspace available does not require flying over denser populated areas. The noise impacts are minimum due also to the lower population density. The area south of Mountain home is one of the largest unpopulated areas in the entire united states. The impact to Boise will be minimal since it will just be shifted to another Idaho city which will still have economic impact to the city of Boise. There is just no valid reason that this wing should not be located at Mountain Home AFB and many reasons it should not be located at the Boise airport. Let keep military activity away from civilian activities. The only case in post for Boise would be an economic one based strictly upon greed.