I want to know what evidence he has for his claims that “leftists” are putting pressure on anybody about this. I’ve certainly heard no indication of it, and I like to think I keep up on such things.

There was no pressure from anyone – no political motive, no desire to suppress free speech – only a business owner staying up all night researching a scheduled event. Please google Charles Murray protests, and read the 18 pages of news reports and videos, a long list of protests and riots at previous engagements. Then look at their Facebook page – this is how they were advertising their event in Boise – asking guests to watch a video showing protests at Middlebury College, and to then purchase tickets and come to The Riverside Hotel. A photo at the top of the page says, “College students in Vermont shouted him down, but you can see Charles Murray in Boise.” Is this an event you would want in your home? Is this something you would want to expose your guests and your beloved employees to? Especially in light of this week’s tragic events in Charlottesville?

Our convention center/resort cannot separate guest rooms from the convention area. We are responsible for making certain our guests and employees are safe. In light of all the contention in the world, had we known about this volatile speaker, we would not have booked this event. There are venues that would be much more appropriate for them. We found out just two days ago, and we did the best we could to make things right. I hope you can understand the difficult situation we are in, and that my explanation gives you some clarity.

Thanks, ILoveYouIdaho, for giving us the straight story.

The WIMPS listed as owners of the Riverside Hotel, per the Idaho Sec of State are:

David L. Johnson
David Wali
Chris Beeson

Must not be a single “ball” among the three.

I for one will not be using the Riverside ever again.

Oh god, listen to the rhetoric. Now if protesters show up anywhere they must be paid to protest, not just regular people protesting. Considering the timing, I can’t blame the Riverside. Tempers,nerves and emotions are frayed on both sides right now, why poke the ant pile? Just very poor timing, no one’s fault. I was actually going to go and hear what he has to say. Now probably not, I’ll read his books instead. I have to admit I have lost respect for the IFF as their claims and posts are as imflammatory and exagerated as anything from the left. The “free exchange ideas” lol, as long they are conservative of course.

Dave you bring up a very important topic, the May 2018 primary where a small minority of voters will choose the republican candidates, which will in all likeliehood win their fall elections. The secretary of state website shows 1.2M people in Idaho of voting age. Only 750,000 are registered of those only 325,000+ are registered republicans. In 2014 150,000 republicans chose the next Governor- Otter over Fulcher. It is sad that in every venue print, online and news we talk about change, yet such a small percentage are willing to take part in the most important part- the primaries…The fakll elections are just affirmations of the choices made in the spring primaries.

I Get It – why don’t you first buy a map? The Riverside is in Garden City, not Boise. As for Kent Goldthorpe, it is shameful how as an elected official you continue to make unnecessarily divisive language. Other folks on this thread seem confused that the first amendment protects hate speech – it does not. Why don’t you go stand in a theater and yell “Fire” see how it works out to claim that was protected speech. And as for IFF and others to label those opposed to racism, bigotry, white nationalism and white supremacy as “leftists”, I think you mean “Americans” as the description fits most Americans, the Army Chief of Staff, the head of the Marine Corps and other patriots.

No one has asked how Murray’s team and IFF became associated. Talk about failed research, did Murray’s team not research Hoffman and IFF? Would they have changed their mind if they had known more about Hoffman and IFF?

Was it IFF that reached out and paid for Murray to come here?

I know the narrative is that Murray is a libertarian conservative but his alma mater is Harvard. His op-eds have appeared in the Wash. Post, NY Times, The New Republic. Those aren’t exactly bastions of conservatism.

The Bell Curve is certainly controversial, uh, man, I don’t want to touch this with a 10′ pole.

But to throw more gas on this fire, another study out of Harvard called “The Downside of Diversity” comes to mind.

Dear ProudAmerican: Unless I’m mistaken, the “yelling fire in the crowded theater,” or even Mr. Murray speaking at the Riverside Hotel, are NOT protected by the First Amendment in any case. The Riverside management, and the theater management, can allow or disallow any speech they choose, as private property owners.

On the other hand, supposedly the First Amendment protects a citizen’s right to say what’s on his/her mind, regardless of whether you or I find it hateful or offensive, in a PUBLIC place. But that seems to be evolving. Can’t offend any Snowflake Sensibilities any more…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/06/19/supreme-court-unanimously-reaffirms-there-is-no-hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment/?utm_term=.a1d8b695ddeb

Truth is the lefties are likely violating the law as defined by the Supreme Court decades ago by inciting violence against people and ideas they don’t like.

A basic tenant in today’s politics is anything the lefty is whining about they are aggressively engaged in themselves. This concept has a basis in the psychological concept of projection. Always know that liberalism is a mental disease. Approaching a liberal with this in mind yields the best clarity in understanding of these profoundly screwed up people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

boisecynic – Garden City does not have a post office. The post office for 83714 is on Cole Road in Boise. The Riverside is correct in using Boise on their letterhead.

Mr Editor- research the Ferguson riots. Same thing happened. Paid protesters were bused in, and the cops just stood back while the “protesters” looted and burned the town. The Corporate TeeVee cameras were all there in force though…
A scared population is easiest to control, therefore the 24/7 terrorism, riots, war, disaster and crime stories will continue until all of our civil liberties and freedoms have been confiscated.

Editor as to your note of “a simple web search turns up” the ‘hired protesters’ reference:
another simple search shows that same “business” shares the exact address with “Beverly Hills Photography”.
A world conglomerate perhaps? ha!

http://www.beverlyhillsphotography.com/contact-us
https://crowdsondemand.com/contact-us/

I can create a website announcing “Rednecks for Hire” and then publish false statements that “Rednecks for Hire” is available to crash your wedding (or political rally). And I’ll bring a professional photographer too.
Maybe HuffingtonPost will pick up my ‘false story’- that my business paid a million rednecks to show up at the last inauguration.
May I put the address of “too quiet” for contact info?

“A false flag” in Charlottesville? fake stories and idiots are roaming wild!
Such statements are sad.
Hey, too quiet, I suppose you and Alex Jones still think 9/11 was an inside job. Please hide in your closet forever.

From the folks at the Chateau, a poem by Saadi:

Human beings are members of a whole,
In creation of one essence and soul.

If one member is afflicted with pain,
Other members uneasy will remain.

If you’ve no sympathy for human pain,
The name of human you cannot retain!

“or, one can be anti-people”. :-/

Easterner – Your “political fringe” comment is hilarious.

In America, we have what is described as the two biggest hate groups in America, the Democrats and Republicans, who are both laser focused on the belief that their team would succeed if not for those hated others.
“Politically moderate” is code for ideas approved of by the Deep State.
The “political fringe” is used to discredit anyone with beliefs not manufactured and certified by the corporate media.
In reality, the political fringe are the only folks worth listening to, since everyone else is just regurgitating Deep State propaganda.
Easterner, your red pill awaits, just swallow and say goodbye to The Matrix.

Wow! Guardian your post has spawned a record amount of valueless discussion completely divorced from the realities of our country. History never goes backwards. Like it or not the country is moving ahead and we can either try to make it work or move closer to chaos. Name calling and personal attacks move us toward chaos. Constructive dialog and compromise are a positive way to move forward but obviously not a strategy useful to many of your commenters. Wow!. Finally, I’m not sure why it matters whether the Riverside hotel is located. I must have to be a commie libtard paid protester or a right wing Nazi, America Firster to understand that conundrum. I guess I’m way out of the looney loop.

Easterner, why should we subsidize immigrants?

Why do the execs at Janus aka Mountain States Group ada Agency for New Americans make six figure salaries? Why don’t they just volunteer their work? And why do they need to hide behind so many names?

Look around you. We have native born people who can’t afford to go to college and yet we’re shelling out how many $billions to resettle immigrants?

If they want to come here by their own means, then fine. There is only a finite amount of taxpayer fund to go around and it is a huge slap in the face to native born citizens to have their social safety net cut only to fund immigrants.

Everyone notice how Easterner didn’t address the emigration issue to Canada or Australia or China or the UK?

You need something like $500,000 to emigrate to Australia either that or a business that can instantly employee at least 10 Australians. Maybe they’re immigrant hating bigots too, huh?

Don’t even try to emigrate to Mexico, it can’t be done.

Eastener, you should disclose whether you work for Janus or not. Because it really seems like you’re very worried about losing a source of income.

“Immigrants AND refugees are the seeds of America!” What does this even mean? I bet American Indians don’t use such handy euphemisms to describe the immigration that destroyed their culture.

Janus execs make 6 figure salaries taking advantage of grant money related to the 37 year old 1980 Refugee Act meant to deal with Cubans and Vietnamese. It’s time for reform and millions of people voted that way.

The only principle of America that matters is that it’s a democracy. Sounds like you have a problem with democracy and you’re grasping at straws. It’s an understandable dilemma. I’m sure you believe in democracy but you can’t come to grips with the fact that it went against you this time. Hey, you win some you lose some.

Regarding: A Mexican child born in Texas is not a Mexican, he or she is an American under current law and that’s off topic.

Refugees vs immigrants? Come on, one is a subset of the other and you’re being pedantic. To Trump’s base it’s irrelevant

You’re missing the big picture. Trump won on a base of disaffected blue collar workers. They apparently exist in the 10s of millions and they vote. Not only did Trump beat Hilary he beat the Republican status quo as well. It was an astounding piece of work. I’ll say it again. If Democrats don’t want a 2nd Trump term then they better come to grips with blue collar America. What’s really funny is the Democrats used to be the party of the blue collar worker.

You need to read The Downside of Diversity and The Atlantic article on Democrats and Immigration.

I have lived in more than one “diverse” neighborhood and exactly as described in Downside of Diversity, there was little integration. There was little participation by immigrants in the local gov’t. It is not a panacea and to think otherwise is naive idealism. I guess I’m just an outlier and my experience is useless anecdote right?

And finally, I bet I’ve done more to help immigrants and poor than 90% of the people out there. You’re just going to have to take my word for it but I’ve worked in a couple of businesses which focused on the 99%. Honestly, that path was probably a mistake, it’s pretty hard trying to get rich selling to poor people unless you’re a Walmart or something.

EDITOR NOTE–Time to go to your rooms and be quiet for awhile. You guys have each had more space than the original story times about 4! Comments closed.