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Blessed Be The Armed Christians

We don’t want to get into a debate about religion, so consider this a MEDIA post.

In the wake of the tragic ambush in Colorado Springs at the evangelical mega church, media outlets across the nation are discussing “Increased Security In Churches.”
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The GUARDIAN predicts the local media across Idaho will all have stories asking “COULD IT HAPPEN HERE?” The answer is: “Of course. There are guns and shooters everywhere.”

There will be interviews with preachers and cops. If the churchites reveal they have no armed guards they will feel vulnerable. If they detail their security system, they are “helping the enemy.” All this will lead to a new market for Blackwater-type guards responding to a “state of fear.” Of course the lady who couldn’t shoot straight will be hailed as a hero–we can always use another hero.

Seems to us the Muslims are not the only religion packing heat when they pray. The description of the female volunteer security guard, “praying to the Holy Spirit as she squeezed off rounds” qualifies as a heavenly oxymoron.

The prayers apparently didn’t help her shoot straight. Cops say the bad guy died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

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  1. bert farber
    Dec 11, 2007, 4:51 pm

    Guess you don’t remember that preacher at Pearl Harbor who said…”praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.” Sometimes evil has to be stopped by the tip of a bayonet.

    EDITOR NOTE–Spoken like a true patriot! There are no athiests in fox holes under fire either.

  2. Rod in SE Boise
    Dec 11, 2007, 7:35 pm

    Blackwater-type security, whether the actual Blackwater or a wannabe company cannot be allowed to operate in the USA in any capacity. I can assure you that they would not be allowed to enter my neighborhood. Their mere existence is a threat to my freedom, and I take that very personnaly.

  3. I am an atheist and I would probably pray too if I was shooting at someone. As for her marksmanship, its kinda hard to argue with success. 1 bad guy stopped, no more people dead.
    Bonus: No guilt for having been forced to kill!
    Points for style.

  4. Grumpy ole guy
    Dec 11, 2007, 9:02 pm

    Blackwater in the back of the baptistery,
    SWAT teams in the halls,
    Immigrants of the legal kind,
    Over-seeing them all.

    Gimme that old time religion,
    while I blow them sinners all to Hell.

    Let’s see now, Christ is the Prince of Peace, who adjured us all to love our neighbors and to forgive those who trespass, and turn the other cheek.

    Oh my.

  5. Now see what you did, Dave! The religious debate is already underway. Dont’cha know? You should NEVER discuss religion or politics with your friends!

    That “turn the other cheek” is subject to many interpretations.

    How about this one?
    “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.”
    - Jesus (Matthew 10:34)

    “Go ahead – make my (Sun)day.”
    - Father Harry Callahan

  6. Modern Movement Christians don’t believe in that “Prince of Peace” stuff. It’s all about stuffing the Ay-rabs who wanna rape our daughters.

  7. Wonder what God was doing while all this was going on?

  8. BoiseCitizen
    Dec 12, 2007, 8:04 am

    Rod, FYI,the precedent has already been set for Blackwater to operate in the US. EL Busho used em in Nawlins after Katrina. There were pictures of them “struttin their stuff”. I wondered at the time if they were deputized by the local sheriff or just how that works? How can they enforce the law if they are not authorized “peace officers”? I agree with you, I would not want those trigger happy folks in my neighborhood.

  9. The other day I sat in traffic behind another vehicle that had a “Jesus Saves” bumper sticker right next to a bumber sticker that read “Gun Control Means Using Two Hands” Ah the irony.

    Of course Jesus lived in a time that saw his home-land occupied by foreign oppressors and yet he refused to lift a hand of violence to stop them, or to allow his movement to be pulled into the resistance. Instead he preached peace and brotherhood. But there is always the Old Testament full of sex and violence that will aid anyone who is looking for “holy” justification to kill.

  10. right_on_boise
    Dec 12, 2007, 9:32 am

    Gorgon, God gave man free will, you choose not God, he helps. So, it is good or bad free will.

    God is Everywhere Always. I suggest you get to know him better or you will end up hang’in out with the devil for etrenity !

    Many a story in the bible are of a simple man or woman, with the Power of the Holy Spirit, being very strong and courgeous in fights for their lives and be victorious!

    Have you prayed to the Holy Spirit to help you in time of need? Try it, it is Great. God is faithful, ask and God will be there!!

    EDITOR NOTE–This is supposed to be a media post, not a bible lesson!! The “message” in all this is the guns in the sanctuary. Why no guns in school, but guns in church?

  11. Blazing Saddle
    Dec 12, 2007, 11:00 am

    Praise God – And Pass the Ammo

  12. Ironic how according to the media the least safe places to be this Christmas are shopping malls and churches.

    I dunno Bert I have a hard time seeing Jesus drawing a bead on evil with his 9mm Glock at one of his places of worship.

  13. “The prayers apparently didn’t help her shoot straight. Cops say the bad guy died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.”

    Obviously spoken by someone who has never been involved in a shooting, or similar incident. Do you know what adrenaline and stress do to the human body in these situations? It is called ‘fight or flight’ and all the blood rushes to the internal organs and brain. This decreases fine motor control (IE: trigger/sight control on a firearm). The same problem or issue is often seen in police shootings.

    She may not have killed him, but she stopped him.

  14. The old saying “if you want it done right you have to do it yourself” comes to mind. If you want protection; protect yourself. We are fiercely independent (we used to be) individuals that need to re-learn how to protect ourselves and not place that responsiblity on other organizations or agencies.

    Religion is not the issue here, so Right_on_Boise please blog elsewhere. This is a second amendment issue. The best move, in my little world, is to arm the congregation. But please, no more crusades…

  15. What I want to know is what would Jesus do? Is he a Glock guy or a 44mag revolver dude? What kind of assault rifle guy is Jesus? An AK47 with bayonet or a M14 with grenade launcher and night vision optics? He might just be a .300Win sniper guy, you never know when he’s going to tickle the trigger on ya. If the NRA had it’s way we would all be armed all the time, then there would be peace on earth. It’s like pedestrians and cars in Boise. If pedestrians would just drive cars we wouldn’t have any cars hitting pedestrians.
    Baghdad is a geat example of Peace on Earth, when religious people have lots of guns. We should strive to be like the Holy Land if we really want peace.

  16. To clarify: the security gaurd did shoot mostly straight hitting the bad guy, but the shots from the Security gaurd were not fatal, it was the self-inflicted wound that was fatal.

  17. Right-on-Boise said “…ask and God will be there.”

    I betcha the folks in those shooting galleries were asking like crazy!

    Fraz, it’s impossible to talk about anything involving religion without having some disagreements and somebody tossing a little sermon in. I don’t think that hurts us a bit, as long as we keep it civil (and, preferably, have a bit of fun with it in the process).

    A movie I saw many years ago had a scene with a preacher who went into a small Western town and was trying to teach the folks there about peace and love and turn the other cheek.
    A local tough decided to have some fun with him, so went up and slapped him hard on the cheek. The preacher turned his head, to put the other cheek toward his assailant. The punk slapped that one, too. The preacher reached inside his robe, pulled out a revolver, and shot the punk.
    People around them were shocked, but the preacher just said, “I ran out of cheeks.”
    If that security gal had been a better shot, it might have saved some other lives. Would she have been right or wrong to kill the gunman? Our law says right. God will give his decision later, according to most religions.
    Enough. A merry and happy whatever you believe in for the holidays. :-)

  18. From what I have read about this woman, she put the shooter down and he finished himself when he realized he wasn’t going to take anyone else with him. I have to agree with Lib Redneck on this one. We are all responsible, or should be, for our own safety.It appears to me that these “wackos” want to be “famous” by taking as many innocents with them as possible in their final act. I wonder why these losers always seem to go to malls or churches, or schools. How come they never go to a police station to “take as many cops as possible” with them? Maybe it’s because they realize that the people there will shoot back.

  19. Rod in SE Boise
    Dec 12, 2007, 8:50 pm

    Boise Citizen,

    When a democrat (note the lower case “d”, by which I mean someone other than a tyrant, but upon further thought, the only way a democrat can be elected is if we elect a Democrat – isn’t that bunch of loony bin escapees running for the Republican nomination entertaining) is elected president in 2008 and takes office on January 20, 2009, Blackwater will get what’s coming to it and so will it’s employees.

  20. This debate is defying LOGIC! Cyclops, Vinnie and JJ sound like cops or at least cop mentality. They would be hard pressed to argue against school bus drivers packing in light of 6 kids in Las Vegas getting shot. And teachers too.

    A 15 year old in Spokane brought a gun to school recently for “protection.” If he feared for his life would deadly force be justified from an after school bully?

    We are a violent nation bent on killing each other! There is no LOGIC anywhere!

  21. shealyisnottheantichrist
    Dec 12, 2007, 10:58 pm

    I am glad that the courageous female church security guard took him down without taking him out. It would not have been wrong to kill him, but it demonstrates God’s grace in the midst of the tragedy.

    FYI plenty of women in Boise carry a gun to church, and everywhere else that they go.

  22. You are correct Logic. We are indeed a violent nation. As long as there is a portion of our society that is so deviant that they feel the need to “be famous by taking as many of the
    @#$*#’ers as possible with them”, we have no choice but to protect ourselves.I agree there is no LOGIC here,but it is equally illogical to nurture members of a society that feel compelled to murder their fellow citizens. We always seem to find out, after the fact, that these maniacs were indeed being treated for some type of malady.
    The “cracks” these people are slipping through have gotten too wide for the rest of us to continue to ignore.

  23. A Born Again Christian name of Bush started a war.
    He believes he is acting in God name.
    I think I’ll live my life without believing in this Religin thing.

  24. Most churches (rightly) have a “Don’t ask – don’t tell” policy.

    When you set up “gun-free zones” in this crazy society of ours, it’s possible you might be clueing in some wack-job that only criminals are armed, so you can go about your wacky business, whatever it happens to be.

    I don’t carry a gun to church… but the bad guys don’t need to know that.

  25. bert farber
    Dec 14, 2007, 3:43 pm

    Sissypuss writes: “I dunno Bert I have a hard time seeing Jesus drawing a bead on evil with his 9mm Glock at one of his places of worship.”

    I agree, Siss…I also have a hard time seein’ Jesus drawing a bead on evil with his 9mm Glock.

    Jesus would surely carry an American-made weapon, probably a Colt .45, not some plastic European pea shooter.

  26. Re the WWJD discussion: He’d probably carry an Uzi, considering his birthplace.
    And I dunno what he’d do, but many Christian churches teach that Jesus and God (and sometimes the holy spirit or holy ghost) are all one and the same, and we all have heard about what God did when he got ticked at Sodom and Gomorrah, and what he did to everybody except Noah and his kinfolk when he decided humans in general were no damned good.

    By the way, I’m still trying to decide whether I should be insulted or complimented when Right_on_Boise, in apparently responding to my earlier post, addressed his response to Gorgon!

  27. Look, the issue is simple. We have a society where folk are not protected from threats we can identify for fear of offending someone of committing a PC gaff. The police have zero legal responsibility to protect us as individuals (Castle Rock v Gonzales) and almost always are not there for the violence, and lunatics in the political class have decided to create areas where mass shootings are almost encouraged by insuring normal folk are helpless.

    Fortunately, 44 states have written laws allowing normal, law abiding folk to fill the gap, To take personal responsibility. As a result, a citizen carrying a weapon legally stopped a mass murder. It is time to stop pretending putting up a sign equals security. It is time to stop pretending the ‘gun free zones’ mean more than free fire zones.

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