So, is the pole really ten foot? I am certain that you checked the facts out, Fraz, so that you could be correct on what you publish.
Really, anyone can be stupid on their own time, but what is just not acceptable is how this case was handled like a hot potato – Boise Cops tossed it to the Sheriff who tossed it to the Ada County prosecutor who tossed it on to another county’s prosecutor…. What is with this? It’s a case of a bunch of drunk guys acting poorly and the cops were called in but wanted to run away like sissy-boys.
So if you are a fire fighter or a cop you get special treatment (kinda like what Clegg would have liked for her daughter), instead of the same treatment fairly given to the tax payer (ie salary payers) of Boise and Ada County. Hmmmm. No wonder the kids of today are blowing off the rules and the laws.
Different set of rules depending on Money, power and position.

So, Dave, is this ten foot poll no one was eager to touch one used by the dancers? And, are you certain that the swinging fists were those of the on-lookers and not of the, hmm, err, entertainers? Sounds like too hot of a time was being had in the old town that night. I will confess to never having heard of a fruit juice bachelor party, although I suspect that there have been a few.

Less grumpy than before I read this item.

EDITOR NOTE– THE POLE WAS A FIGURATIVE LITERARY METAPHORE, NOT A LEGAL TERM.

Where are the good old days when a bunch of guys went to a bikini bar and one of them had too much to drink and “duked”it out with some other schmoe that had as much himself?
The guy that won went to work the next day and it was “So I decked the jerk”. The guy that lost went to work the next day and his story started with “There I was alone, off the Great Barrier Reef…”
Now it is assault, battery, lawsuits, jail time and a different set of rules if you are on the “inside”. Bottom line isd that if you hang out in those kind of places, you can pretty well assume that the guy sitting across the room is as obnoxious as you are! And how can you blame the “ladies”? They are just poor starving college students trying to pay tuition! Yea, Right!

“THAT’s the kinda guy I want showing up to save my family from a blaze.

Not some friggin virgin.”

Amen

Word in the Rumor Mill is that the dude with the broken jaw is some half-ass relative to an attorney of note. Hench the delay in trying to find someone removed from the “six degrees of seperation” to file charges. The whole story has yet to be told.

I heard on the street the argument was about the dancers boobs. Fake ones or real ones? Stuff like that is important when your drunk.
Stay clear of fireman when they crack a can of whoopass.

““Unlike cops, I prefer my Structural FireFIGHTERS slightly maniacal.”

Yeah, just the type of behavior I want in people who want to be in our homes rendering patient care to our ill, our injured, our old and infirm.

If this was any other group of public safety or health care providers you would be calling for heads to roll, which may be a bit of an overreaction, but still as it should be. But instead we see you guys thinking its not only OK, but expected and something to be admired????
Its stupid that the public thinks its OK for firefighters to act like asses when other agencies are held to a different (often unrealistic) standard. Why are the “hero’s” held to a lower standard than PD or Paramedics?

One of the earliest mantras I was taught by one of the senior paramedics was “don’t make the rest of us look bad”. I guess the BFD needs to teach that to their new recruits (and their “crusty old jakes” as well). That’s why other (NON FIRE)agencies generally don’t wear their uniforms getting drunk, they don’t brag about their affiliation before (or after) they get in fights, they don’t through dirt on the god name of those trying to make their agency and their profession more respected….and when they do something like that, they tend to get slapped harder…not given a free ride.

I’m not so mad that this happened, I understand that things like this do happen… I’ve even been involved in a few stupid sophomoric antics myself in my life….but when I got caught I took it like a man.
There should be consequences beyond a slap on the wrist. Not saying there should be termination….but something appropriate, including a public apology to the other agency and their own fellow FFs for “making us all look bad”. That will hurt more than a few days off or reassignment to these ego driven individuals. Send the right message… Also, I am the first to admit that if one of my co-workers did something this stupid ….they should get a little peer to peer counseling behind the wood shed and then get the official discipline.

Oh, BTW…that BIG RED buss that says BOISE FIREFIGHTERS on it may not be owned by the city, but its stored on city property, maintained in (supposedly) off time by BFD maint. staff, using BFD maint equipment. How did that slip under the radar?
Just driving that vehicle (privately owned or not…it looks like its FD owned) to a strip club should be conduct unbecoming, fight aside.

But what do you expect from a culture who thinks it’s OK to wear their Department T Shirts to bars to pick up chicks.

Lisa, you sound like you have all the facts. Did you get them from the one sided media or the BLM boys. As the saying goes…You cant slice a piece of cheese so thin that there not two sides.

I got the facts from the BLM boys, one of whom is a very stand up young man who has been a friend of the family for years. The account in The Daily is very accurate… these boys were jumped and sucker punched by members of the BFD. This is not a case of boys will be boys — this was a serious assault and I couldn’t agree more with Nemo that it was behavior unbecoming, and that the actions of a few reflect very poorly on the entire Boise Fire Department. I highly respect and admire firefighters but what an embarrassment! I’ll wager that fellow BFD are mortified. Woodshed, indeed.

I have seen dozens of fights outside bars in my lifetime. Police usually arrive on the scene arrest the fighters and sort out the details by interviewing witnesses. Charges are then filed that fit the crime, followed by a day in court. Why is this so complicated? It’s called police work. Guy, why bring in another agency? The occupation of the suspect is irrelevant unless he is a police officer. We certainly don’t need to hire another ombudsman.

This city has gotten over political, every agency now has their own “spokesman” that they pluck from the local newspeople pool. The response by “Guy” is very typical. Over cautious bureaucrats that failed to realize that it was a bar fight not the Whitewater break in, pretty basic stuff. These agencies all have a team of brass that should be able to handle bad conduct among their own, let them do their job. In the meantime the police should stop walking on eggshells and do their job, sitting on it only makes it worse.

Nemo, thanks for “trying” to set BFD/ACEMS relations back 20 years. I would ask if you would please reveal your true name, so others won’t be blamed for your nasty, and rude personal comments.

I’m sorry, I can not bite my tongue any longer.

BG: ‘BFD sure has it’s way with words’? How did you want it to read? Does anyone have an obligation to disclose personnel matters with the media? (Yes, BG you are the media.)

Mr Werner, Et al; rumor has it, a Boise PD offspring is one of the BLM firefighters present, therefore the conflict of interest with the BPD, facilitating the ACSO investigation.

Dori: right on !

Nemo: have the balls to post under your real name. Nice bangbus Freudian slip(?). Give me a call, I’ll fill you in on some facts. You know how to contact me. UR BFP . (208)-384-403*. * = engine number. Also, if any firefigther is drinking in a bar in uniform, you can call me or any fire dept officer and they will gladly put an end to that. We do not condone that!!!

Is it just me, or do people from a certain agency always use their real names when posting?

EDITOR NOTE–Tom, “Torch 2 business” has a nicer ring to it than “strip joint.” That is the ref to way with words. The issue is shaping up to be the “hot potato” rather than busting a jaw in a tawdry bar fight.

I think Nemo’s problem is Viagra doesn’t work for his standup guy.

And Nemo falls silent mmmmmm

Let them fight! A sucker puncher is a coward.