Team Dave has a poor record on enforcing moonlighting while on/off the job. Maybe the City of Boise should come up with an official policy. It shoudl include how many hours allowed and what times during the day.
https://boiseguardian.com/?s=moonlighting

In regards to keeping comments factual and on track, this has also come up before. Anonymous posting generally leads to good tips, but also can get out of hand. https://boiseguardian.com/2009/02/27/sources-and-attribution-a-discussion/

BTW- Clancy is my real name.

If you were familiar with Idaho Ice World’s policies, you would know that the Skating Director and two Hockey Director’s are the “ONLY” ones permitted to provide lessons “off their company time”. This is allowed by the City of Boise. They are also the only ones “qualified” in that building to “provide lessons” ..which is why they are the “Directors”. So I dont know what other “staffers” you are referring to but I can guarantee you that they are NOT “qualiifed” staffers to even give lessons. I ask you this, Mr. Editor, at what point will you stop listing to MORE of Mr. Andresen and his counter-part’s ridiculous banter, and start reporting the facts?

EDITOR NOTE–Hockey and Skating directors are two different people. PLEASE! Do not bring people into a story unless you have some facts or documents. Andresen was NOT a source so don’t go fishing for names. You talk about staffers giving lessons, but no one has ever said anything about anyone other than the “skating director” giving lessons.
Read the post again!

I believe the hockey director was required to sign an agreement stating he would not receive any compensation or reimbursement associated with coaching a team (off the clock). I am just wondering what the difference between the two positions are or were?

I will say it again.. this is what you get when the government gets in the entertainment business.

We at IIW already know your “source” is a former disgrunteled Asst. Hockey Director. Maybe he needs to remember that the skating and Hockey Director’s were both very good to him. Too bad he has allowed his emotions to get in the way of his logic.

If any of the three skating directors were to give private lessons off the clock they would have to put in a lot of hours at IIW in order to fulfill the 40 hours they are getting paid for. This would suggest that they would be very accessible as they would be at the area for much more than the average full-time worker.
The other question would be if they pay for the ice time for the private lesson..or is it considered a “perk”..or does the city allow for them to use the ice without having to pay for it…?

EDITOR NOTE–Fair question regarding rental of ice time. Please get a public records request for ice time rental and we will gladly post it.

I am wondering what the difference is between a golf pro working at a public course giving golf lessons v. this person giving ice skating lessons. Generally, golf pros at local courses are a contract employee who tries to make a buck the best way he can.

Man, Guardian, the comments you’ve been getting recently and the back-and-forth banter is *almost* as entertaining as the unedited mayor hotline calls. What ever happened to Mayor Hotline posts, by the way??

EDITOR NOTE–For whatever reason the hotline has been reduced to meaningless “issue” one liners like this recent collection:
ISSUE: Illegal parking by Cathedral of the Rockies on Sundays.
ISSUE: Doesn’t like jet noise.
ISSUE: Disagrees with jet flyovers.
ISSUE: Opposes public financing for a stadium. He’d like to provide input.
ISSUE: Doesn’t support Local Option Authority.

City councilors are given this exact list to judge citizen input to the Hotline.

@hoceyislife – I think the bigger question and back to the point is why the city or ethics committee would require the HD to agree to those stipulations in the first place. How are the two directors jobs different? Why can one make money on the side and the other one can’t?

@ Answer…For one, the cost of ice depends on the time slot that it is being reserved for. A Sunday morning sheet of ice is less expensive than a sheet of ice Friday or Saturday night. When the coaches (hockey or ice skating coaches) provide private lessons they are doing so during stick times or during freestyle which means the ice is already slotted for all would like to get on the ice at that time and would not cost any individual $250. Both the instructor and the skater would pay whatever that cost would be…I believe it is 8 dollars for stick times. Not sure about Free Style.

City Policy:

Document Type: Policy
Number: 4.35
Effective: 05-01-06
Revised: 01-24-12
Legal References: Resolution
#21563
OUTSIDE EMPLOYMENT
The City of Boise recognizes that employees may decide to seek additional employment
during their off hours. The City does not prohibit this as long as the additional employment
does not conflict with or detract from the employee’s responsibilities as a City employee.
Despite any outside employment, an employee’s position with the City is an employee’s
primary responsibility. Employees are prohibited from using City equipment or property to
perform their outside employment. Outside employment is not an excuse for such things as
poor job performance, tardiness, absenteeism, or refusal to work overtime.
City employees are prohibited from providing outside employment services to other City
employees who fall within their reporting structure, including all employees who they
supervise or who supervise them. This policy applies to all supervisory relationships
regardless of whether the supervision occurs directly or through subordinate supervisors.
All employees holding outside employment, including self-employment, must inform their
supervisor of the nature of the work and the hours when they work. The supervisor can
then determine if the outside employment interferes with the employee’s performance or
creates an actual or apparent conflict of interest

@doggone- so in your opinion is either director following those guidelines when teaching private lessons or coaching a travel hockey program?

When the city took over, they made the grave error of transferring some of the dead weight from the Simplot payroll to the city payroll. Figure skating coaches at that rink have engaged in childish and unprofessional behavior for years. Plus, they suck. But they’ve got some parents bamboozled into thinking they’re hot stuff. What a joke.

Is she paid by the Boise Figure Skating Club. Does a Percentage of her lessons fee go back to the city like the golf instructor.

Heres a thought. I could be mistaken. I believe that all figure skating coaches are considered City Employees as they provide training in Learn To Skate Classes. Based on the “Employees are prohibited from using City equipment or property to perform their outside employment” description, wouldn’t that mean that none of the skate coaches can provide private lessons at IIW? The City might want rethink the wording because if they continue with this they will be loosing money from many skaters that also pay for public ice times,stick times and freestyle skate times. That would be a good plan now wouldn’t it? I would assume the phrase “equipment” was more in reference to items like tractors and lawnmowers not sheets of ice.
Again, I am not positive the skate coaches are also City Employees.

1. Makes you wonder how the skating director manages to put in 40 hours and teach the amount of private lessons she does.
2.(COMMENT DELETED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION on personal allegation)
3. Why do the figure skating coaches get to be city employees and the jr. coaches get paid in freestyle passes but the hockey coaches are all “volunteers”? Why don’t they get paid in stick time or pick up passes?
4. Why don’t you ever see the skating director running any of the camps except one? You could almost always find at least one of the hockey directors out on the ice running their camps.
5. These have been on going questions for along time, maybe now we can get some answers? Is it double standards, or conflicts of interest?
6. I have no issues with any of the coaching staff, hockey or figure. I am sure as Guardian put it they are all “wonderful” people and adored by their students and players. We couldn’t have a rink without them but fair is fair.

Both articles are disturbing. I have a son who playes for the jr steelheads program and a daughter who is a figure skater. I do not think that the woman who is not named but is one of the biggest pot stirrers I have ever seen, meant for it to go to the figure skating side of the ice. But it is only fair that the same policies be held for both directors. If the hd is not allowed to take payments for coaching and traveling with a hockey team he coaches. And shouldn’t take rebursments for travel then how is this different from the skating director taking payment for when she takes skaters to competitions and tests? This is a normal standard in figure skating, parents split cost of their child’s coaches to go to events. If he should not have his job then neither should she. This being said I feel both of them are positive influences for the kids involved in both ice sports. Both of my kids look up to these adults. I know my son is devastated by the loss of Jeremy and my daughter would feel the same if the skating director left too. This is a shame when an issue was brought up and blown way out of control and things where made up by a few people who loved their coach until their team started losing. (PERSONAL ATTACK ON A PREVIOUS COMMENTER HAS BEEN DELETED) I am proud my son plays for the jr steelheads. And was honored when he was coached by Jeremy and loved that when my daughter skated she was able to work some with the skating director as well as her other amazing coach who worked at iiw. In my lame opinion this is all a bunch of useless drama that will in the end hurt these people their families and the youth who all love both ice sports.

Ps coaches as well as skaters pay for their freestyle time and stick and puck time just like the skaters do.

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