Do we need to modify Teddy Roosevelt’s isolationist stand? Change it from “Walk softly and carry a big stick” to Walk softly and carry a thermonuclear device?

We cannot penalize a nation for the acts of a few but, we sure as hell can do our best to ensure that no “terrorists” make it into this country.

My understanding is the people who will come here have spent around 18 months in a refugee camp in Jordan, Turkey, or Lebanon. What I see on the TV is the middle class of doctors, dentists, engineers and the middle class of Syria doing a bug-out. Take a look at the teen kids with braces on their teeth, the clothes they are wearing, the shoes on their feet.

These are people who have left it all behind for the safety of their families and a better future. Think about the Cubans who left Cuba in the past. Marco Rubio would not be here if not for the fact his parents left Cuba and migrated to this country. There were no background checks on those people and they integrated into our society and thrived in Florida and other parts of this country.

I am not worried about those who come to this country for a better life. We can’t exclude people on the basis of religion.

We bomb their country, then scrape off the cream of their citizens fleeing the devastation, what a deal. What jobs are not given to robots, will be given to desperate foreigners. I think, based on water and resource scarcity issues, and the potential for global weirding to make them much worse, that we should stop creating and stop accepting refugees.

flyhead… take a look at a section of Detroit and see how the integration goes. Here is an example of how they integrate. http://wizbangblog.com/2014/02/22/muslims-demanding-their-own-sharia-patrols-in-michigan/

We must keep in mind the actual statistics of our inevitable demise show many many causes which a militarized and very expensive police force cannot save us from. And the loss of our civil rights will not improve many of these statistics either… beware of the “fear trap”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_causes_of_death_by_rate

Very different deal in Kenya Guardian. After spending several years in Nairobi and yes the Government is corrupt ( and ours isn’t?) but they will deal with the terriorist…. and they are not in a civil war.

I think what has happened is we have lost so much trust in our Government…. both local State and Federal. You can only be lied to so long.

1 bad apple in 4 million?

It is xenophobia.
For the nonlibrary types, right?: Xenophobe: a person who hates or fears foreigners or strangers.

Bigot: a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

What situation do you have today that we did not have last month, before the Paris attacks?
None.
The bigots are simply using this incident to advertise their intolerant beliefs.

The inherent risk we have in the US and for US citizens traveling abroad has existed for decades. Paris has changed nothing for the United States.

Unfortunately, bigotry, hatred, anti-Semitism, religious zealots, racism, and other levels of ignorance are part of human nature.

Over 200,000 innocent people have been killed in Syria.
Most American’s do no give a rats ass about that. That includes Obama and Congress. That includes the Idaho delegation.
Crapo said about the bill to authorize action against Assad after the chemical use on innocent Syrian civilians, including children, “I think that is a very dangerous step for the president to be taking”.
But 129 Parisians becomes an act of war?

Their press release alone shows their ignorance: “stop Syrian refugees”.

For 2015, the US took in more refugees from Iraq and Somalia than Syria.
For 2014, Syria was not even on the radar.

Risch and Simpson have “serious concerns” about the refugee process? Yet Somalia has more local grown anti-US terrorism than probably anywhere in the world and we allowed 9,000 Somalia refugees to go through that process in in 2014. For the nonlibrary types, Somalia is the home of Al-Shabaab.

Almost 20,000 refugees from Iraq came to the US in 2014. ISIS & Iraq- any questions on the risk?
Iraq terrorists, okay. Syrian terrorists not okay.

We accepted 3,100 refugees from Iran in 2015. IRAN? Really?
We let in over 3,000- IN ONE YEAR- from a country that chants, “death to America” in public forums– DESPITE Crapo’s “real concerns” about the process?

So Idaho’s delegation is worried about the refugee families fleeing Syria’s devastation— that Congress helped cause— because of ONE bad apple out of 4 million?
_____ ridiculous!

A hell of a lot of other people are just as likely to act against the US, including white citizens currently living here.

Mumbay hotel terrorism: 2 people in Chicago were arrested for helping plan that attack.
Madrid train attacks killed more than this Paris attack- no reaction.

129 Parisians die and suddenly the world is falling apart.

http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/refugees-and-asylees-united-states#Top Refugee-Receiving States

Easterner,

The attackers indeed represent many countries but they all have one thing in common – religion.

It is not my bigotry that declared war on the west, it was the controlling representatives of Islam. It is not my bigotry that beheads, rapes, and murders for the shear affect it will have on peaceful people, it is the controlling representatives of Islam.

This is a war. It is a war that was declared on us. And it is a war that long preceded the attacks on Paris.

We can excuse Islam by saying there are peaceful Muslims, but that argument is as failed as saying some Catholics use birth control. Maybe, but the Pope opposes it.

If ISIS is not the controlling authority of Islam, then who is? The silence is deafening. If Islam will rise up and destroy their evil branch of ISIS then I will change my view. I keep waiting. I keep watching. I see one Islamic authority and I hear one Islamic voice. ISIS.

They have me convinced.

A nation of immigrants with a founding principal of no religious test now wants to change its historic path to greatness.

You all got it wrong:

Islam is not a religion. It is a ridged form of dictatorial governance. It will mature and be ready to play nice in about 300 years.

If you see it for what it is, you will no longer be conflicted.

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/09/11/3566181/why-isis-is-in-fact-not-islamic/

Too much to paraphrase. But perhaps Eagle Writer can rethink his/her stance.

These extremists have come to appreciate the KISS method of causing mass hysteria. They do what they do with a few nut-jobs and the world is going crazy with fear of all the people from the middle east.

I don’t discount the grief the families of the dead and wounded feel but to attach the badge of “allness” to the refugees is simply wrong. I am sure that if you were to meet these folks one on one you would find they want what we all want..a safe, secure environment to live and raise their families. The crazies over there are not the majority by any metric.

Easterner. You’ll offend a lot of people on this website if you keep telling the truth.

A quick scan of the headlines today shows many more attacks around the World perpetrated by islamic xenophobia. I’m certain given enough time and bloodshed that even the most retarded of libtards in the USA will see red and defend themselves. For example, it’s hard if not impossible to find sympathy and excuses in Israeli newspapers for terrorists.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/18/at-least-15-us-citizen-terrorists-are-also-legal-immigrants/

Since Easterner asked, yes I am intollerant to wife beaters, that makes be a bigot in that regard. Yes I am a bigot towards drunk drivers, intollerant. Yes I am intollerant toward child molestors, a bigot in that regard. Bigot is not a bad term but people throw it as an insult. I wear the above labels proudly.

The world leading faction of Islam, IS has openly declared war on the west, and the U.S. in particular. They proudly state that, and often. I am intollerant of those who would destroy the freedoms we try to build and pass on – a bigot(?)…I am okay with that. It is not a war of my making.

JPJ, For one, WE ALL know the Sunni-Shia rift has existed long before George W. Major pilot error on your part.
If you are trying to say the Syrian civil war was created by George W- equally incorrect.
By the same crash, the rest of your points are inaccurate.

It is important to separate Islam into its many factions and how it affects the conflicts.

Let’s point out- where ever there is a minority faction (Shia/Sunni) in control of a majority of population (Sunni/Shia) there is conflict.
Just like in America.
Where a minority of people (white) control and operate the police and government in a community of the majority (Blacks) there is conflict.
Amazing how that problem is global!

Humans continue to be dangerous violent warlike creatures. It’s not correct, but it is a fact. So, the police are orgasmic about all of this terror stuff. It means huge huge spending and new powers for them. It also means destruction of those pesky civil rights. Bill Goodnight, you are almost right, it is going to be an internment camp, but a nationwide one for us all. Obama’s father’s dream realized at last!

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/18/future-security-israeli-model-shows-high-cost-living-with-terror-threat/?intcmp=hpbt1

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/18/monica-crowley-the-radical-islamic-challenge-to-we/?page=all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra45nX9JmW4

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2616576/Subway-removes-ham-pork-nearly-200-stores-strong-demand-Muslims-eat-Halal-meat.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal

http://www.judicialwatch.org/?s=islam

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia_law

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliphate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_to_Islam_in_U.S._prisons

If the price of oil remains depressed at under $65 for an extended period of time, the Middle East will be out of foreign reserves.

In general, most of these countries need in excess of $100 per barrel to sustain their governments and social programs.

In less than a year, Iran will be against the wall. In around three years, Saudi Arabia will be approaching financial straits. And so on.

Close the borders. Stop immigration.

This region is over 90 percent Muslim. In 1500 years, what have Muslim countries accomplished? With low oil prices, what do they have?

Let us embrace “survival of the fittest.”

If the Muslim cultures will not substantively address and root out the terrorists themselves, then they deserve the fate of impoverishment that awaits them.

Why should we knowingly import problems??

https://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2014/8/29/the-islamic-supremacist-enclave-in-minnesota/1

I see today is the day Europe is celebrating the wonderful warm feeling brought by islamic diversity. Shelter in place orders given… police on double triple overtime roving the streets waiting for the next attack.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/cbeb4d6b842b4a37853953dc1bd60dbc/brussels-under-serious-terrorism-threat-after-paris-attacks

Unfortunately these are real hobgoblins… but I do agree with others above, our western governments are not doing all they can to end this quickly… turns out Obama’s ISIS bombing campaign has be blowing up lots of sand and empty tents… jerk is upset now that Russia is actually killing these dogs.

J Smith

That is an interesting quote in these times.

Let me see,………..”imaginary hobgoblins”.

Does “imaginary hobgoblins” include:

Global Warming
Fracking
Climate Change
Gender Inequality
Police Discrimination Against Blacks
Affirmative Action
Income Inequality
Racism
Islamaphobia
Bigotry
Political Correctness
Capitalism
The 1 Percent
Black Lives Matter

And so forth???

We are here to awaken from the illusion of our separateness.
—Thich Nhat Hanh

In response to a comment above attempting to absolve Bush II of responsibility for ISIS:

The toppling of Saddam w/o establishment of a sustainable alternative left a vacuum which ISIS evolved to fill. Similar to the way violent, white-supremacist & “muslim” gangs have evolved in US prisons, much of ISIS evolved in Iraqi prisons where radical Sunni’s and dispossessed Bathists were thrown together to plot the overthrow of their oppressors, which they seem to be accomplishing with religious frevor & furor.

Europe is a great place to be a poor helpless refugee. Everything provided, every need and most wants are met.

So, can anyone of you super smart soft-hearted people explain what Europe did wrong to cause this Muslim problem to erupt into terrorism on their streets? Can you tell me what we need to do differently so it won’t happen here too? Because we are currently doing exactly the same thing Europe did and should make adjustments.

PS: Yes, Bush-I, Clinton, Bush-II, Obama. All failed miserable to ruthlessly kill this beast while it was young and helpless.

Muslim appeasement has been proven to have failed. Just look at Obama’s actions!!

I believe that the tepid approaches to the Islamic problem will continue to fail. Why should we continue to do stupid things, over, and over?

The Islamic cultures have created paltry little in 1500 years. Do we need more proof of this?

For consideration, Google “Black Jack Pershing and Muslim Uprisings”. I know that this is probably legend and a myth. However, can you anger someone any more who beheads another simply because……….what??

The argument that we may make them retaliate even more is a false one.

J Smith is right. Cut off their money. However, first we must stop the flow of Islamic money to our politicos. Washington DC is floating on Arab money. Not even the most conservative republican gives a crap about the American people because of it.

Yes, it’s true. Not even trying to hide it anymore… they giggle in our face about it.

This thread is wandering from the original. We are now discussing europes handling of refugees, 20-30 something’s with no skills, arab money flowing to our “politico’s” and Bush being the founder of ISIS. Is it about time this thread got shut down for being off subject.. or does that rule only apply to topics regarding cops?

The Middle Eastern oil producers know that they are circling the toilet.

North America’s ability to drill and frack will keep oil prices generally below $50, except for periodic spikes in price, driven by temporary geopolitical circumstances.

This is a death knell for their societies, as they have come to know it for 15 or 20 years. Their government spending, social programs, and economies will severely contract over the next five years.

These Muslim dominated societies have failed to expand or diversify their economies much beyond oil, for 50 years!

We no longer are beholden to them for their oil.

So, they export terrorism to extort us for money, technology, and other resources. And, Obama capitulates by giving the Iranians $150 Billion!!

Further, the Iranians will get the bomb, and will use it to extort us for money, technology, and other resources.

J Smith

“The lady doth protest too much.”

You are deflecting!

Steve Crea – You’d think if there were really evil terrorists menacing us that the obvious solution would be to encourage more Americans to not only own, and train to be proficient with guns, but open carry everywhere. Eliminate those silly gun free zones where all the terrorism and mass shootings take place.
But no, the government wants heavily armed, jack booted storm troopers in Mine Resistant Ambush Protection vehicles, unarmed citizens, unlimited wire tapping of our phones and computers, and other Nazi type controls.
It’s not about protecting us, it’s about protecting the government against the citizens, so they can continue to loot us for everything of value, and we will have no chance of fighting back to reclaim our country.
I sincerely hope I do not cause this thread to be shut down by responding to one of your many challenges. This is an important conversation.

I would suggest that the refugees’ brothers and sisters in Yemen, Sudan, Somalia, Ethiopia, and other sparsely populated areas take them in.

We already have too many takers in this country, creating pollution, global warming, taking up space, holding down the dirt, and using up precious oxygen.

Do we really need more of this here??

EDITOR NOTE–No reflection on any particular comment, but it’s time to close comments. We are plowing the same ground over and over at this point. Good points all around.