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We’re Not Prisoners Or Hostages

The GUARDIAN has tried to “do the right thing” during these rough times, but knowing just exactly what is proper has become a blur.

We talked to a fishing buddy who told us the Fish and Game boat ramps are closed at C.J. Strike as well as the Idaho Power parks. However the Black Sands ramp was open. He reported at least 80 boats on the water one warm day. Good or bad to be there?

Swan Falls area ramps were roped off and closed as well.

Some coffee shops are in the take-out only mode, but we know of one that is open with indoor counter service and outdoor seating only. Folks seem to keep their social distance. Good or bad?

We have actually done the cop car parking lot coffee chat with vehicles facing opposite directions in order to have driver side windows opposite, but still six feet apart. Do you keep your own newspaper or is it OK to share the read?

The entire situation sort of reminds us of dating. Conduct the interviews about sexual practices, past contacts, choices etc. before any decisions or moves. Either way, you are left with the universal nagging question, “Will he (she) respect me in the morning?”

Comments & Discussion

26 comments for “We’re Not Prisoners Or Hostages”

  1. It seems to me that getting people spread out would be better than having just a few trails and parks open.

    You can’t believe the people from Boise headed up to Idaho City for a day trip and using the trails up here. Not sure this is making a lot of sense… Leave Boise infect Idaho City?

  2. Boisean Since Forever
    Apr 12, 2020, 10:22 am

    Bravo! 👏👏
    Common sense, good judgement, and mutual respect would go far in resolving most gathering issues. To wit: Why is it OK to jam the parking lots of Costco and Fred Meyers, but illegal (in some places) to have drive-in church services?

  3. At least we can all rest easy because the great Mayor told us we can report these crowds and anyone else who is out roaming around to non-emergency dispatch.

  4. chicago sam
    Apr 12, 2020, 6:31 pm

    I was raised on country sunshine and cooping people up just ain’t natural.

  5. We are prisoners.

    We can’t own land; just try not paying property taxes and you’ll find out you “own” nothing.

    We can’t travel freely without being searched and questioned.

    We are watched 24/7 via camera, microphone, and the universal electronic surveillance of phone, email, and all electronic transactions.

    Our currency is being systematically devalued by brazen theft (money printing) from the Treasury by the Richest few, and the mega-corporations.

    Now, under Martial Law lite, we are losing our jobs via government decree, and being terrorized by the Corporate Media. (Remember the post-9/11 color coded Terror Threat levels, so we’d know how fearful to be that day?)

    While we are under House Arrest, THEY are

    -rolling out Patriot Act 2.0 which will further erode our few remaining freedoms.

    -gifting the Billionaires corporations and banks Trillions of dollars to keep them from losing anything in this downturn, while the average citizen is getting trampled.

    -installing the 5G cellular system which will likely be devastating to human health.

    -completing the Keystone XL Pipeline Project from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico to exploit the dirty, very low EROEI, ecosystem destroying tar sands.

    All of the above actions would cause massive protest, yet we can now be arrested if we try to exercise our Constitutional Right to FREE SPEECH. …because The Killer Virus !

    All of the Govts that are now locking down their Peasantry were experiencing citizen uprisings over deteriorating conditions and faltering economies. All of the Govts are benefiting by protecting their POWER at any cost.

    The lawsuits resulting from the govt intentionally destroying family businesses will be spectacular.

    Is there really a Killer Virus stalking the world, or have the citizen journalists looking for overcrowded hospitals and virus tents, but finding nothing exposed a massive, globally coordinated FALSE FLAG EVENT?

    History will tell of the Killer Virus that destroyed the Global Economy, but it was already destroyed and looted by the richest few, with the Virus being the trigger to collapse the house of cards built by the Banksters.

  6. The reason there are crosswalks and you’re taught to look both ways is so that you’re not hit by a vehicle.

    The reason there is a stay at home order and you’re being taught to stay away from people is so you’re not killed by a virus.

    It is complicated, but it is not. If it were that only the violators died, then it would be crystal clear.

  7. Prisoners or hostages.
    How about victims?

    Victims of our own neglect, naivete, and selfishness?
    Invest in a billion dollar submarine – just in case; but not a billion dollars into emergency respirators?

    For the fun part. Yes, it is much like dating.
    Condom, or no condom?
    Face mask, or no face mask?
    Has my “partner” been stepping out on me and going places without a face mask(condom)?
    Would anyone have sex with a group of people without condoms? (For men and women)
    Well how about being in a group to shop at the grocery store without a face mask?

    Safe sex/Safe shopping?

  8. Prisoners, It's just more apparent now
    Apr 13, 2020, 2:14 pm

    We’ve been prisoners all along.

    I’m looking forward to how our bloated local governments with three vehicles for every employee and egregious compensation packages are going to handle the 50% drop in tax revenue. No doubt many overspending politicos are looking for a safe space right now.

  9. Perhaps an invasion was deterred because of the presence of the submarine. Did the virus invade after an assessment of our respirator inventory?

  10. western guy
    Apr 13, 2020, 3:52 pm

    “Prisoners’ must have been cooped up for too long.

    He doesn’t seem to know that property taxes pay for public services which he uses. Now, if he moved to a hut in the mountains and NEVER used a county highway or called for an ambulance…

  11. We were parked at Grimes Creek which is Boise national forest managed. We were there Friday morning and by Friday evening we were threatened with being issued a citation for violating the closed order. We were at least 100 yards from anyone else with a refreshing breeze, not possibly infecting anyone or being infected yet the order from the buffoon on high (brad little) took precedence over common sense. How more deservedly can the government earn the hate?

  12. Prisoners, It's just more apparent now
    Apr 13, 2020, 11:13 pm

    busboy, you were not following the STAY AT HOME order. Leave home only for necessary activities yadayadayada. The idea is that if everyone stays at home the germs don’t spread etc. But it’s not just about germ. It also means the cops don’t have to do all their usual patrol activities such as looking for people toking and drinking in the parked cars way out in the woods. Therefore fewer cops on duty, fewer cars DUI into the river on the way back to Boise, fewer people in the jail, and so on and so forth. The problems with the stay at home order are many. For example, so many people hate who they live with and have been getting busy with someone else for years. This is seriously messing up the status quo for so many people in so many ways beyond the paycheck. I expect a baby boom quickly followed by a wave of divorces.

  13. Busboy – can’t you enjoy that breeze from your own backyard, because if you are suddenly, or even gradually taken ill out there some poor soul will have to come and put you in in some type of rescue vehicle, at great expense, and take you to some medical facility, somewhere, and your other (we) will be stuck trying to get your darned rig home, all while your condition endangers many people along the way. You should have been given a citation the moment you declined to leave. You may be the one lacking the common sense.

  14. I am more concerned about what restrictions/tracking etc remains in place following the virus. As for the current stay at home rule, while I do feel my rights are infringed upon I think we have give a little, the old saying of your rights end where my nose begins has some validity. With people being infected and contagious and possibly showing no symptoms, they could easily knowingly or unknowingly pass on to me a life threatening illness, so the stay at home order is actually meant to protect the rights of others. With the limited tools we have on hand to be prevent new viruses, the order makes sense.

    I do support a gradual opening of the economy, small venues first, large venues like theaters later. Churches can reopen when they start paying property taxes.

  15. Stay Home.
    Just like Trump did during the Vietnam War.

    If he was strong enough to do it, you are too. 🙂

  16. Editor: It appears time to close another.
    Easterner: Ha, ha. So clever. When do you suppose your Jr. High will start back up?

  17. Prisoners, It's just more apparent now
    Apr 14, 2020, 11:24 pm

    If Trump were Captain of Titanic:

    – There isn’t any iceberg
    – It’s a fake iceberg
    – There was an iceberg but it’s in a totally different ocean
    – The iceberg is in this ocean but it will melt very soon
    – There is an iceberg but we didn’t hit the iceberg
    – We hit the iceberg, but the damage will be repaired very shortly
    – I knew from the beginning there was an iceberg, long before people called it an iceberg
    – The iceberg is a Chinese iceberg
    – We are taking on water but every passenger who wants a lifeboat can get a lifeboat, and they are beautiful lifeboats
    – Look, passengers need to ask nicely for the lifeboats if they want them
    – We don’t have any lifeboats, we’re not lifeboat distributors
    – Passengers should have planned for icebergs and brought their own lifeboats
    – I really don’t think we need that many lifeboats
    – We have lifeboats and they’re supposed to be our lifeboats, not the passengers’ lifeboats
    – The lifeboats were left on shore by the last captain of this ship
    – Nobody could have foreseen the iceberg
    – I’m an expert on icebergs I’ve got lots of friends who deal with icebergs, some of the best, really good ice people who know ice
    – Summer will come and the iceberg will disappear, it will go away, like magic

  18. Now that is clever.

  19. Prisoners: This is hilarious . . . and don’t forget, the iceberg is bigly!

  20. Foothills Rider
    Apr 15, 2020, 4:58 pm

    Prisoners: best….post….ever….

  21. FEB 29th
    from the US SURGEON GENERAL in a TWEET:
    ?Seriously people- STOP BUYING MASKS!
    They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!”

    ?????
    Nice to know our healthcare providers are buying their masks at the same place I might buy mine and we are competing for supplies.
    WHAT?

    Not effective for the general public.

    Let that sink in awhile before you go to the store (or tire shop) to buy another frozen meal.

    In February, Dr. Fauci said, “The only people who need masks are those who are already infected to keep from exposing others.”

    Wait! If someone is infected why do they need a mask at all?
    IF they are STAYING AT HOME separated from at-risk family members, no reason to to be GOING OUT to potentially spread the risk. No reason for a mask.

    And now the Surgeon General has a youtube video on how to make your own DIY mask at home.

    Do. Don’t. Works. Doesn’t work.
    Lies. Misinformation.
    And Easter church was a bust!

    Terrible leadership in a time of crisis. sad.

    History gives us a much clearer perspective.

    From their website:
    About the Office of the Surgeon General- As the Nation’s Doctor, the Surgeon General provides Americans with THE BEST scientific information available on how to improve their health and reduce their risk of illness and injury.

    scientific? best?
    let’s rewind to 2.29.2020.

    Yes, there should be a mutiny on the Bounty. Unfortunately the current crew is just as clueless as the captain- decent people have resigned or been fired with a tweet.

  22. Retro Reagan
    Apr 16, 2020, 8:40 pm

    Pretty amazing our government is so afraid of China the say we need 2000 F-35s, but the same bunch of d-bags didn’t bother to fill a warehouse with Chinese made N95 masks just in case. We are not getting our money’s worth from D or R.

    We the people did not listen and did not prepare for this by electing people who actually care about us.

  23. Wow. Reading all of the pro-fascist remarks (Easterner et al) is fascinating. They totally accept the official stats about this Covid-19 scam.

    Legacy media perception shaping is really effective. Omission of facts that are contrary to the anti-freedom side of this debate is important to sustain the creeping march to totalitarian control.

    Look at how CNN’s Chris Cuomo got caught LYING about his fake Covid-19 affliction. He has been doing his shows from his house (so he says) and is told on camera by some doctor that he has to stay inside. Then days later, he gets caught with his family, out with other people, in close contact, mingling on a barren property. A bicyclist catches him and puts him on blast. He throws a fit (like the Fredo incident) and cries foul about being outed. So, what is the truth? Does he have Covid-19 and is defying official orders to stay indoors, or was he faking to push some BS agenda?

    Trump Derangement Syndrome is pushing alot of this crap. Unless you join the Hive mind and help drive the economy into the dumpster, then you are a selfish recalcitrant.

    If you try and point out that our immunity systems should be developing itself to fight this thing, or suggest that there are effective drugs to combat it, you get attacked.

    Everyone is waiting for Saint Bill Gates to unleash his magic vaccine to save us all, so we can wear our immunity badges. Never mind that Gates has been exposed by several African nations for fraud and harming their civilians. Gates is being sued in India’s Supreme Court for testing his drugs on kids without their consent, with bad results. Say this and you’re a “conspiracy theorist.” Well, Robert F Kennedy Jr is saying it everyday. And the Left is crucifying him for it.

    The NKVD is alive and well. The mask and shelter-in-place police are all political activists that can’t wait to report people for defying standing orders, as THEY perceive them. Doesn’t matter that you are far away from anyone, YOU HAD BETTER BE INDOORS…OR ELSE.

    Here’s my advice to the tyrants. YOU ARE IN THE WRONG STATE for this. Please, take advantage of the cheap moving rates and head for Commiefornia, where you will be in your bliss. You can help the police round up lone paddle boarders and beach joggers at your whim.

  24. Foothills Rider
    Apr 18, 2020, 4:13 pm

    Airhead:

    https://nypost.com/2020/04/14/long-island-bicyclist-verbally-attacked-by-chris-cuomo-fires-back/

    At least summarize the supposed incident correctly. ….on Cuomo’s own property with his own family (after much quarantine), not in public even as told by the supposed victim. No facts either way. Just another dude looking for fame through provocation. Is this really news for either side of this discussion? Why are there supposed “sides?” Isn’t the reality somewhere in the middle?

  25. Ah, the f-word.
    Fasicm- a form of far-right, authoritarian ultra-nationalism [TRUMP] characterized by dictatorial power[TRUMP wants it], forcible suppression of opposition [TRUMP does it], and strong regimentation of society[religious Right fans of Trump] and of the economy[TRUMP] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.
    Italy & N*Germany. Scapegoating. Racism. Nationalism. Xenophobe. Sexism. Ignorance. All wrapped up into one. A real peach! Or an orange in this case.

    Opposed to liberalism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.

    And for proof:
    “When somebody is the president of the United States, the authority is total. It’s total.” – Trump April 13th.
    Total Authority from a 12-year-old. Sound familiar?

    And yet: “No, I don’t take responsibility at all.” — Trump on the same topic.

    ‘Total Authority’ and ‘no responsibility’.
    How would you like to be quarantined with THAT sociopath?

    The irony here is, the economic collapse of ____ is very much like ____. That can lead to ____. History fills in the blanks.

    Maybe the answer is to STAY HOME and read a history book or a dictionary- before the next election. 🙂

  26. Forced Air – Having to sit on the sidelines while your family member/friend slowly dies, and you cannot see them or be there to comfort them and say goodbye is REAL, and really painful. I have been experiencing this with 2 human beings and it is not fake, nor propaganda, nor like other flu situations our country has experienced.

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